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When would you recommend to use "Normalize" feature found in many DAWs vs. pushing up the volume? THanks! Vladimir
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For a group of songs (say on a CD) depending on normalizing is a rather unsophisticated approach, especially without controlling for unintended peaks. Listen to the tunes and adjust by volume levels by ear.
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If you're just trying to get 1 track set to the max volume, that will work. And by "max volume", I just mean your loudest peak is 0 db. As Rick says, if you're trying to make several tunes, or a whole CD have consistent volumes, there's more to it.
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Thanks!
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Fantastic information, Doug. Great asset to have your thoughts on this whole process.
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As far as normalizing multiple songs, as already stated your ear ,or better yet a pro mastering engineers ears is still the best bet . For home mastering, there are of course several brick wall type look ahead Mastering plugins that if not abused can help bring the level up and still prevent clipping ( going over 0db ) one that IMO does this without sound too much harshness or artifact is the Waves L2, another really good one ( unfortunately only available in RTAS format ) and the one that I use most is the Massey L 2007, very smooth and transparent ,depending on settings of course. You can hear it in action on this clip In these clips the L 2007 is set to a gain of about 7 db. With the brick wall setting of - 1. 8 db http://soundcloud.com/ kevwind/the-question
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Doug, out of curiosity, when you have the mikes as close as you did for your test recording, how do you minimize string noise (and heck, breathing and clothing-on-guitar noise)?
I just recorded a tune with close miking and because the tune involves a lot of movement up and down the neck and some difficult fingering positions I got more string noise than I like. I dislike coated strings, so that's really not a solution. I use a spaced pair setup as your picture shows, so I do have a mike pointed directly at the fretboard. It's a Peluso P28 and it's quite sensitive. I can kill some of the string noise artifacts with the Audition "heal" tool, and Bill Wolf nailed some more when he mastered my CD, but not all.... Any tips?
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Unless some open strings are ringing out while you move hand position, string squeaks happen during a brief moment of silence so you can surgically cut them out in the DAW completely transparently.
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Sometimes...sometimes not. Depends on one's style, I guess (or one's surgical skills!). This tune has a lot of half-step slides, in a jazzy mode, and those are the worst offenders.
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Newtone masterclass double wound strings might help a little. Only a little though.
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Excellent thought - and I just happen to have some here! I had forgotten I had them. I will try that. Thanks....
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I think the important thing is to not get obsessed with "louder", that's the current volume wars mindset, and a maxed out, heavily compressed track might work for heavy metal, it's not going to sound attractive on an acoustic track - certainly not solo guitar. Keep the levels at a nice moderate range until you get to the mastering stage (even if it's you who will be acting as the mastering engineer), and don't worry about them. If you're doing a single track, like a you tube video, when you get to the final stage, put your mastering hat on and work on making the levels appropriate for release. If you're doing a CD, you want to listen to the levels in context with all the other tunes, not just pushing each individual track to max volume.
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Rubbing noises with clothes is hard. I was just playing the other night while wearing a new pair of corduroys, and wow, it was awful. So I won't be wearing them while recording. But finding clothes that don't cause problems, and then trying to keep the guitar as still as makes sense, all help. Breathing's also hard. I hear it a lot on my 1st CD, less on this new one. I think I just tried to be more relaxed on the recording. Maybe the mic positioning I used was less sensitive to breathing. And finally, the ultimate cure is iZotope RX (or the light version in the window's Adobe Audition). As long as a noise is sharp and well-defined, RX can nuke it completely. Some sounds are nearly impossible to fix, but the most obvious sharp jump-out-of-your-chair squeeks are usually really easy, just select it, click "repair" and it's gone.
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