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My mid side process consists of using a pair of AKG 414s in cardioid polar configuration, one side facing and one forward facing (not in figure 8). One is inverted upside down so the grills are nearly touching. The I record each mic on a separate mono channel, and when complete I copy the side track, duplicate it, reverse it's phase and then pan the side channels hard left/right. I am not confused about the process… [EDIT] OK Rick - I was confused. After Doug Young posted about my process, I went down and looked at the array in my (former) studio room (now electronic storage room) and the ''side'' mic…is in Figure 8 polar position...We were doing some MS experiments using the H4 recently so it was still set up...Sorry[EDIT].
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Hmm, I'm not sure that truly qualifies as mid-side. Something similar, but different. MS really needs figure-8.
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Strictly speaking, it isn't M/S but it will be mono compatible when collapsed. If he likes it, that's all that matters. I've done some weird mic set-ups myself.
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yeah, it's similar to the MS-decoded stereo pickup example I posted a while back. You can use MS processing for lots of things.
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You are right, of course. I was confused (and edited my post to Rick thus). I went down and looked at the array we had left set up from a recent H4 experiment using mid-side and sure enough, the inverted side is in Figure 8 polar setting. I must just assemble the rig on auto-pilot. Don't know what I was thinking, and can't blame it on anything. Thanks for keeping me straight… |
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Sorry for the brain glitch... Interestingly, I did a live Bluegrass concert recording one evening, and they allowed me to use my mid/side array to record, so I tipped the top mic (figure-8 side mic) in sidewise (aligning capsules with the forward facing mic at 90°) and then set both mics to figure 8. The mic facing the group also picked up the audience off the backside (and it was kind of a rowdy traditional bluegrass crowd). I duplicated and reversed phase on both mics and hard panned them, and it was a really great spacious faux surround type of effect. I could dial down the pan to group mic to mono during the songs and then ''add'' the audience at the interactive parts of the songs where they were telling stories or where the audience was hooting and shouting. I don't think that would qualify as mid-side but it sure worked. I figured I could always kill the backside of the front facing mic if it didn't work. |
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You can use 2 figure 8's for mid-side. I really like using the AEA R88 ribbon for MS because it's so easy to setup. With its vertical form factor, and 2 figure-8s, I can set it up as X/Y, get my balance and sound right, then just give it a quarter-turn twist, and I have MS. If I'm not mistaken, the original invention of MS (by Alan Blumlein) used 2 figure-8 mics.
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I thought I was breaking the rules, but it would not be destructive if not totally successful (the rear lobe is not as loud as the front one). I have not had opportunity to record m/s in a live situation since. So do you use both on figure 8 in studio? If so, what do you think the rear lobe on the front facing mic adds to the mix? |
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Yes, I used it a lot, in combination with a 2nd pair of mics on my latest CD. Never ended up using the MS pair alone, but I could have. No idea what the impact of the back lobe is, since I can't shut it off on this mic. It may give a little more room sound, but that's dwarfed by the ribbon sound of the mic.
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Thanks for the response...some of those guys were sure ahead of their time weren't they? |
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Have you guys had any success using a different brand/model mic for the side? I really like my modified Oktava mics and Oktava does make a Figure-8 "capsule" for them, but it's really just two of their standard cardiod capsules placed back-to-back with quite a bit of space between them. That large space worries me a bit.
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He proceeded to create a mic arrangement that captured the stereo image while still collapsing to mono - the Blumlein array (two fig 8s in XY). At about the same time he worked out the math that demonstrated the equivalence between XY and MS and invented MS as well. After he'd turned the audio world upside down and basically plotted the roadmap for the next 50 or 60 years, he moved on to radar and was key in developing the systems that helped decide the Battle of Britain in favor of the allies. http://www.abbeyroad.com/News/Articl...nvented-stereo Fran
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Of course you are right since he was in the forefront of developing things we who love to record are still discovering and growing into. I'm sure were he alive now he'd be still expanding his adventures, and we'd benefit. Died so young... |