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Old 12-16-2019, 05:59 PM
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Default Matching mic for my Acoustic

Hi there, everybody!

I'm a singer songwriter that plays in small and loud environments... bad acoustic places, overall. People talking loud, and just me and my guitar.

I've been using the HFN Schatten Passive with a soundhole cover in my Martin HD28 as a pickup, and I'm considering to get me a LR Baggs M80 for a better feedback rejection.

And, for my vocals, I'm thinking in change my Neumann KMS105 (Supercardioid) for a Shure SM7B (Cardioid) for a better back rejection. As I said, there's a lot of people talking where I play.

You, people with more live acoustic and vocals experience, am I doing good choices? I just wanna your opinion...

Thank you!
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Old 12-16-2019, 06:54 PM
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Not sure about the guitar, but for your conditions, I'd be looking at dynamic mic compared to a condenser mic.
I may be wrong, but dynamics should be better for live performance, while the condenser is better suited to recording in a studio.
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Old 12-16-2019, 07:58 PM
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Haven’t heard your voice but have you tried something as basic as the SM58?

The Neumann is a good mic (I have have the cardioid 104) and the super/hyper-cardioid pattern is ok if you can stay on the mic and keep the gain down so that rear node is not picking up the room or floor monitors that are incorrectly placed (for that kind of mic).

But, for live use, I do like the standard dynamics. The Senn e835 is a good option if you like a bit of upper boost.
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:11 PM
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Not sure about the guitar, but for your conditions, I'd be looking at dynamic mic compared to a condenser mic.

I may be wrong, but dynamics should be better for live performance, while the condenser is better suited to recording in a studio.
I absolutely agree.
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:37 PM
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I'd look at the Sennheiser e935, Heil PR35 or the Audix OM5. I like the e935 best, it has very good rejection. The beta 87a I had for a while also had good rejection but you really had to be on position with it I felt, not a fan of super cardioid if you're playing an instrument too. The sm7b needs a ton of gain, people usually use cloud lifters with it.

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Old 12-16-2019, 09:34 PM
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I have always used a Shure Beta 58 with really good results. I don't have to get right on it to be heard, it is nice and clear, I think it has some warmth to it, and it does not pick up a lot of crowd noise at all. I have always been really happy with it. I recently did a show in a very noisy environment and I used the Beta 58 for vocals and a Shure SM86 for my acoustic and it worked out really well.
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Old 12-16-2019, 10:21 PM
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What you want for feedback rejection is a supercardiod or an even more directional hypercardiod dynamic mic.

The best for ultimate feedback rejection is an Audix OM7 but the pattern is very tight and will drive you nuts if you aren't used to it. It is also a low output mic so you need a decent preamp on your PA or acoustic amp.

My favorite hypercardiod is the Audix OM5. Sennheiser makes some great ones as well.

Be careful though. The directionally of a hypercardiod takes some getting used to.

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Old 12-17-2019, 05:28 AM
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I'd look at the Sennheiser e935, Heil PR35 or the Audix OM5. I like the e935 best, it has very good rejection. The beta 87a I had for a while also had good rejection but you really had to be on position with it I felt, not a fan of super cardioid if you're playing an instrument too. The sm7b needs a ton of gain, people usually use cloud lifters with it.
All good suggestions. My experience with the e935 is similar in that it has better rejection of feedback than the e835. This may make a big difference in your situation.
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Old 12-17-2019, 07:49 AM
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On vocals I upgraded from a SM58 to an AKG C535 some years ago and never regretted. I still prefer it compared to the Neumann vocal mic. The C535 combines the best of two worlds: Detailed sound like the Neumann but less sensitive to feedback like a SM58. We always fight feedback when bandmates use their Neumann with the Bose tower behind us - no problems with my C535.
Unfortunately they are not in production anymore, but followed up by the C636.

M80 is a good choice if you need more gain before feedback compared to a Schatten HFN and still keep a great acoustic sound.
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Old 12-17-2019, 01:02 PM
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As others have suggested, consider a Shure SM58 or Sennheiser 835 for your vocals. Both are standard stage mics.

For you guitar you might want to consider keeping your current pickup and adding a ToneDexter.
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Old 12-17-2019, 06:20 PM
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Tonedexter can be used to improve the feedback rejection on the Schatten HFN Passive?
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Old 12-17-2019, 07:35 PM
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The ToneDexter does provide some feedback protection and also has a notch filter.
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Old 12-17-2019, 09:05 PM
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Iíll second the e935 and the Heil PR35, we use both in our band and they do a great job live
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