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Old 12-15-2019, 03:58 PM
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The object is not accurate reproduction.
To me, the idea of accurate reproduction, with acoustic guitars, is getting a sound, while playing through a sound reinforcement system, that is close to what you'd hear standing in front of an un-amplified guitar.

In the past, this has meant placing a microphone somewhere in front of the guitar. Go back and look at some of the videos of country and folk performers from the sixties. This was the best we could do in those days, and it's still not a bad way to go.

When I plug my electrified acoustic guitar into a sound system, I want that sound. Since the pickups in acoustic guitars don't accurately reproduce that sound, I need to use some external device to help.

The best I have found so far, for my K&K-equipped HD-28V, is the ToneDexter, after I have created an effective wavemap. BTW, it has taken me several mics and a good bit of time to get the sound I like, but others get it on the first try. Also, for those of you who already use a ToneDexter, the latest firmware seems to do a better job of creating a more "accurate" wavemap. The most recent comment I've gotten is "You've really got that sound locked in."
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Old 12-15-2019, 04:06 PM
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To me, the idea of accurate reproduction, with acoustic guitars, is getting a sound, while playing through a sound reinforcement system, that is close to what you'd hear standing in front of an un-amplified guitar.

In the past, this has meant placing a microphone somewhere in front of the guitar. Go back and look at some of the videos of country and folk performers from the sixties. This was the best we could do in those days, and it's still not a bad way to go.

When I plug my electrified acoustic guitar into a sound system, I want that sound. Since the pickups in acoustic guitars don't accurately reproduce that sound, I need to use some external device to help.

The best I have found so far, for my K&K-equipped HD-28V, is the ToneDexter, after I have created an effective wavemap. BTW, it has taken me several mics and a good bit of time to get the sound I like, but others get it on the first try. BTW, for those of you who already use a ToneDexter, the latest firmware seems to do a better job of creating a more "accurate" wavemap. The most recent comment I've gotten is "You've really got that sound locked in."
Thanks for this! I'll have to update my ToneDexter's firmware to the latest version.
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:31 PM
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It looks very interesting. Do you have actual acoustic-guitar amplfication experience using this Sarno Musical Solutions Steel Guitar Black Box device? I wonder how its tube-tone output would fare against the digitally-based LR Baggs Session Acoustic DI's Saturation circuit? I have a NOS, circa 1960, RCA 12AX7 "Black-Plate" tube that I could swap out with the factory-installed, foreign-made new one in the Sarno Steel Guitar Tube Preamp. I'm tempted to get this preamp!
I'm guessing I've had mine for about 10 or 12 years. It makes everything I plug into it sound better, acoustic and electric. I originally got it to use with a Sunrise mag pickup. It worked great for that pickup. I don't have the Sunrise anymore.

I have used it with Fishman under saddle, K & K, Trance Amulet and probably something I'm forgetting. It works great with my single coil and humbucker equipped electric guitars as well.

Click on the Artist tab on the link I posted. I know sometimes a manufacturer will just give something to an artist to be able to use their name, but I don't think that is the case here.

It does have to be plugged into 110v. This doesn't bother me.

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Old 12-16-2019, 05:26 PM
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I'm guessing I've had mine for about 10 or 12 years. It makes everything I plug into it sound better, acoustic and electric. I originally got it to use with a Sunrise mag pickup. It worked great for that pickup. I don't have the Sunrise anymore.

I have used it with Fishman under saddle, K & K, Trance Amulet and probably something I'm forgetting. It works great with my single coil and humbucker equipped electric guitars as well.

Click on the Artist tab on the link I posted. I know sometimes a manufacturer will just give something to an artist to be able to use their name, but I don't think that is the case here.

It does have to be plugged into 110v. This doesn't bother me.
You're really tempting me to order a Steel Guitar Black Box!
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