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You guys are making me laugh!!!
You're absolutely correct...we've had that discussion about ball-end strings and you guys lost! Sour grapes??? Rick seems to agree with Waddy, but I'm still waiting for the documentation. If you can't provide that, you're on the losing side of another discussion, with unsupported opinions. And, dneal...just because you say you noticed John Williams playing a guitar that was strung differently than I recommended, doesn't prove me incorrect. One or two out all the thousands of professional classical guitarists? You must be joking! I have seen guitars strung incorrectly (IMO) on manufacturer's websites...but show me some documentation, and I'll at least consider amending my statements. If you can prove me "dead wrong" I'm not too proud and more than willing to do whatever you feel is appropriate, but until that times comes, you're just blowin' more hot air! And I'm lovin' it! Glen
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Ok Glen you win, after all who would dare argue with someone who actually bought a Bellucci.
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Hahahahahaha! Well Sigma0015s, you got me there!!! Although, I don't really know why people think that's humorous. Yes, I actually bought a Bellucci Concert classical guitar (used). And, it is (without any doubt) the best sounding classical guitar I've ever had the pleasure of playing, and I've played quite a few over the years. This guitar is far above my skill level. But, I figured if Sharon Isbin and Ana Vidovic gave Renato's handmade guitars high praise for exceptional tone, who am I to question their judgment?
It's also a strikingly beautiful work of art. Tight grain, solid cedar soundboard over Bolivian rosewood, scalloped fan bracing using a Hermann Hauser blueprint. Russian handmade wood marquetry rosette of roses...and (I might add), it has perfect intonation, too! And, I got it for little more than a song because the seller didn't like the feel of the wider fingerboard with a 52mm nut! And Dogsnax, for what it's worth, Waddy put a ? at the end of his comment. He indicated that it's possible to screw up the intonation if the strings are stretched unevenly...and I totally agree with that. He did not say that properly stretched strings would screw up the intonation. Glen
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But I'm afraid you have it backwards with the burden of proof. You're the one asserting there's only one correct way to wind the strings. You incur the burden of proof. Saying "I'm right until you prove me wrong" is what's hot air. |
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And IIRC it was something like 5 to 1 (you were the 1) against your ball-end theory.. . . . . . . but that's not proof, I suppose. . . . . . . . but then, we've seen no proof from you, have we? Hot air? |
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Let's look at Sharon Isbin. Man, she's got it wrong too. Maybe it's just that one picture. Dangit, she's done it again!!! How about Paco de Lucia? Oh, he doesn't count since he plays flamenco. They do everything wrong. Let's stick to the classical players. JULIAN BREAM HAS HIS WRONG TOO?!?!?. This is getting ridiculous. Ok, we're going to have to go old school and check on the true Maestro, Andres Segovia. GAAAAHHHHH!!!! Doesn't anyone know how to string their guitars the right way? |
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Dneal, you did it! You're going to enjoy this! I concede that your way of installing strings seems to be used more often than mine, so I apologize. You heard me right...I apologize!!!
My comments were inaccurate, but I still think my way is the best way, but that is only MY opinion. I looked through many videos and could only find 2 that recommended that all strings be wound from the inside out. I found a lot more that suggested the A, D, G & B should be wound inward. And, in all the videos I watched, not one person recommended using ball-end nylon strings...so I guess I'm still safe there. Hahahahaha! This was fun, and I hope we can do it again soon!!! I enjoyed your post...very tasteful and convincing, as well. Thanks, I feel very enlightened now. Glen
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Thanks. I don't think it matters a whole lot which way you run the strings. I try to keep the angle to a minimum, to prevent binding with the wound strings. Some guitars dictate the way you're going to end up winding though. Like you noted earlier, sometimes the headstock will interfere. My Froggy P12 has the holes drilled to the outside, so every string pretty much must wind to the inside.
For the record, I'm no fan of ball end nylon strings. I don't think they're any higher tension than high tension tie strings though. |
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In my opinion, the reason for winding inside out on the string rollers is that you always should wind to put the most tension on the strength side of the roller. The strength side is definitely the side where the hardware is, oh yeah, the outside of the roller. Truth is with most of the higher end machines having bushings on the inside, it probably makes less difference, but if you are playing a guitar with less expensive machines, i.e., the ones that come on a production guitar, you'll stand less chance of a roller binding and damaging a less expensive set of machines if you wind to the outside. Might not happen right away, but over time, there is a lot of pressure on that roller, which is acting like a lever - the farther out the string pull the higher the leverage on the machine. It's stopped by the hole, but that, then, causes the roller to bind in the inside hole, eventually.
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Waddy, you made my day!
The reason I wind from inside out is because I think it looks nicer. Who knew??? Glen
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