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Any thoughts on La Patrie guitars, made in Canada
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Big Cordoba fan here. I currently own two: the C9 Parlor and the C10 Crossover. I've been through a lot classical guitars and crossovers in the $1,000 to $2,000 category, and these Cordobas are the best of all of them for my tastes. All-solid woods, ebony boards, great construction, and lovely sound. Most of them go for less than $1,000, which is quite something.
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I like them, particularly the parlor-sized Motif. They're very solidly built, have a good action, and have an excellent sound. Like Cordobas, they have a truss rod, which a plus for me.
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And while I agree that a luthier-built concert guitar is arguably 'better' than a Ramirez, the same could be said about luthiers like James Goodall in the steel-string world versus a factory-built Martin... I own a Ramirez 2CWE, and while I have no illusions that is equal to a concert guitar, it has a sweet, rich, distinctive sound, and it is a beautifully crafted instrument, equal to a Martin in the steel-string world IMO. |
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I don't think Ramirez is a good comparison at all. Ramirez is more akin to a small shop builder like Santa Cruz or similar. I beleive the Ramirez shop employs under 30 people. Their in house built guitars start at $12,000 +. Their lower line of factory guitars are outsourced and built by various factories. Equating them to Martin in insulting as is equating Martin to outsourced Ramirez factory guitars. Martin builds high quality mass produced guitars.
A good comparison would be someone like Alhambra.
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Doesn't Ramirez outsource their lower range instruments to other factories (like the one in Muro de Alcoy, for example)? And don't those shops similarly employ a relatively small number of people? I don't know how many people are hanging out in the Martin or Taylor factories, but given the raw number of guitars sold worldwide every year, I'd be surprised if we're talking hundreds of people each. I have always suspected that Yamaha has the biggest production line of any guitar building company, but that's just because their instruments are in every shop worldwide, unlike most other brands.
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The short answer is, there really isn't any. Martin, though a "factory" guitar, has a special place among flat top steel strings. It originated many of the designs that dominate the market and remains the first choice for many professional players. Ramirez is perhaps the closest in the classical world, but Ramirez production is split between factory made guitars produced by other makers and a small number of luthier built nstruments made in the Ramirez shop. I think it's safe to say that most professional steel string players play factory made instruments, whether Martin, Gibson, Takamine, Taylor, or whatever. Professional classical players don't.
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10-4 on another vote for Yairi...
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After purchasing a Cordoba Fusion and checking out their product line I think they would be as close as possible to Martin in the classical guitar line. They offer many types from starters to limited run models that have a lot more attention given to them and a price, ( which I think is reasonable) to match. Check their site and see.
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What's the highest priced Cordoba available?
What's the highest price Martin available? Clearly they are not the same. Also it goes back to my original statement . . . Martin does not care about setup for practically any model under $2k. If you got one new and it was setup well, you either have strong hands/(feel no pain) or the tech at your store worked on it (extensively). Same thing with the affordable line of Ramirez . . . high action, rough frets (a lot of times) poorly cut nut, etc. |
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This is as close as you're going to get!
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Sorry for the digression.
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