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I agree it's double tracked. The squeeks come in slightly different places in the intro on each side. If you listen to just each side alone, the sound of the guitar isn't all that good (to me). Kind of thin and distant, like it was recorded at the neck/body, but from quite a bit far away. But when you combine the two tracks, the stereo effect makes it sound more dramatic, tho a bit of an odd sound to me. Double tracking does make things sound bigger, but I'd think it would have worked better if the raw sound wasn't so distant and squeeky.
If that's what you're going for, just place 1 mic, aimed at the neck/body joint, maybe 2 or even 3 feet away, then record a second track playing the same thing, and pan each track hard left and right. But I'd suggest trying a stereo recording with 2 mics, one near the neck/body joint, maybe 10 inches away, the other aimed below the saddle, 10 inches away, hard pan left and right, and see if you also like that - it'd be a lot easier than double tracking everything, and you might just like the sound better.
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I've noticed how no one, so far, has suggested a mic per the OP's request. And I think there's a good reason for that.
The sound has more to do with things other than a mic. But if I were to guess, I'd say the mics used in the recording could be cheap Chinese mics because they sound harsh to me. But then it could be the result of EQing the high end also. In my opinion, if you want this sound, you certainly don't need to spend the money on Schoeps mics. |
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Starting with the Schoeps is a nice option though. Getting to that level incrementally is an expensive process that many of us have gone through. I spent a long time buying cheap gear only to replace it in a year or two. The Schoeps are top notch and it's not likely he'll be looking for an upgrade in two years.
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As an aside, the recording you posted uses many tweaks that have little to do with the mics (e.g., separte tracking between guitar and vocals, double tracking on the guitar and heavy and a bit unnatural reverb). |
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Sounds fair. I appreciate all the input here. Right now I have very inexpensive mics and have some extra cash to spend on a nice stereo set if need be. Those Schoeps, are they versatile enough for light strumming?
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Absolutely.
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Oops - already been covered
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A pair of Rode NT5 mics, which is what I use, are fairly modestly priced, have a good reputation, sound very good, have a very flat frequency response, and have that upper frequency sparkle that I hear in the recording from the OP. Certainly you can spend way more and get perhaps even better sound, but on a budget the Rode NT5 mics sound very good. I have a pair of Audio Technica AT4050 mics, and they also sound very good and are quite a bit more expensive, but in recent years I have come to appreciate the sound of small diaphragm condenser mics on a guitar. They have such excellent transient response. - Glenn
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I used to do a lot of double tracking on my acoustic guitars, 20-25 years ago, but I prefer what Doug has recommended these days. I have a lot of guitar recordings on my YouTube channel if you are interested in hearing my results. In reaction to other comments, Schoeps mics are excellent microphones, but very expensive. I have never been able to make myself spend that kind of money when I have been so pleased by the sound of a couple of Rode NT5 mics. But maybe if I had spent the money on the Schoeps mics, I would already be convinced about their value. Who knows... - Glenn
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The first clue for me was there are some finger squeaks in the right track that are not in the left. And I agree with Doug it sounds odd, in that to me it sounds like it is more isolated hard left and hard right, than a nice stereo spread. I have used a two track technique but specifically to make it sound like a trio of guitars with two playing similar but slightly offset rhythm/picking parts from the right and left . With a vocalist playing occasional riffs up the middle
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I've heard the technique before but in those cases the left and right channel were so different that the double track was obvious. This is the first time I've heard it where the left-right differences were subtle enough to fool me (although I think I'd have picked up on it if I hadn't limited my initial listen to just the guitar intro). I think part of the reason it sounds odd is that the effect gets lost in the arrangement for long stretches when the player falls into the quarter note-quarter note-half note pattern that gets repeated often.
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I have heard it done one time where the guitarist was so consistent that it did sound like a wider stereo recording . I tried it once about 10 years ago on my vocal but failed miserably, because I was so distracted when I mistimed a word that I would then screw up even worse on timing trying to get back on time. It was a truly vicious circle Perhaps practice makes perfect, but the experience was so disappointing I gave up and I guess I am too impatient to spend recording time trying What I do since then is make 3 or 4 vocal passes (but set up "loop playlist" style in Pro Tools) so I am not hearing the previous vocal take. Then I will simply use any good close matches to highlight specific phrases as if they were double tracked
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