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Old 05-27-2018, 10:28 AM
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Any truth to the rumor that these pickups were designed for and sound best with Schertler amps?
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:54 AM
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I got a reply from Drago at Schertler......

My question: "Are there any problems using the LR Baggs M1C2 Endpin Jack
with the AG-6 and S-Mic-M? It is already installed in my guitars"

Drago's answer: "The End-pin jack is a Stereo input jack, cabled so that when you are unplug the 1/4" guitar cable the pickup turns off. If you modify it, you should replicate exactly the same connections you see on the original.
Please note that if you do that, the Warranty will not apply any more on the product you modified."

I cannot tell if this is a 'yes', a 'no' or a "I do not know". Can anyone else tell?
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Old 05-29-2018, 06:38 AM
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I got a reply from Drago at Schertler......

My question: "Are there any problems using the LR Baggs M1C2 Endpin Jack
with the AG-6 and S-Mic-M? It is already installed in my guitars"

Drago's answer: "The End-pin jack is a Stereo input jack, cabled so that when you are unplug the 1/4" guitar cable the pickup turns off. If you modify it, you should replicate exactly the same connections you see on the original.
Please note that if you do that, the Warranty will not apply any more on the product you modified."

I cannot tell if this is a 'yes', a 'no' or a "I do not know". Can anyone else tell?
I think that means that the Schertler is using one of the connections within the stereo endpin socket to provide the switching for the battery. Unless your Baggs endpin is also wired that way then you will have an issue.
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Old 05-29-2018, 09:02 AM
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That means that the Schertler is using the ring circuit within the stereo endpin socket to provide the switching for the battery. Unless your Baggs endpin is wired that way (and it probably isn't) then you will have an issue.


Actually, I believe they are all wired the same. If it was a stereo audio jack, the end pin would be wired TRS like this:

Tip: audio left.
Ring: audio right
Sleeve: common ground

With my Skysonic pickup, the ring connection is unused. I believe that both the Shertler and LR Baggs M80 (and M1) just use the Ring Sleeve connection as a power switch.

Another way to put it: I believe that both the Schertler and LR Baggs endpin assemblies merely connect the 1/4” TRS connection on the endpin jack to the 1/8” TRS connection on the pickup.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:26 AM
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Actually, I believe they are all wired the same. If it was a stereo audio jack, the end pin would be wired TRS like this:

Tip: audio left.
Ring: audio right
Sleeve: common ground

With my Skysonic pickup, the ring connection is unused. I believe that both the Shertler and LR Baggs M80 (and M1) just use the Ring Sleeve connection as a power switch.

Another way to put it: I believe that both the Schertler and LR Baggs endpin assemblies merely connect the 1/4” TRS connection on the endpin jack to the 1/8” TRS connection on the pickup.
You may be right - I have amended my earlier comment.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:18 PM
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I got mine a couple weeks ago and I love it. As far as feedback I'm able to dial in quite a bit of mic when I'm plugged into an amp in my rehearsal space. I haven't used it at a gig yet but I already know I'll be turning down the mic but If the gig was quieter and controlled I think you could get away with having the mic higher.



Here's a video I made in my studio of the AG-6 and S-MIC with the S-mic at 100%.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnLY1HTMvyc


Just judging by that video, I would say that that is the best microphone sound I’ve heard out of a mag/mic combo pickup. I would say I like it better than the LR Baggs Lyric or Anthem demos that are on YouTube.

Maybe the fact that it was just going to a recorder and not to a live amp gave it an advantage though.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:20 PM
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This mounting clamps look really flimsy. Hopefully their grip is stronger than it looks.

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Old 05-30-2018, 04:46 AM
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Just judging by that video, I would say that that is the best microphone sound I’ve heard out of a mag/mic combo pickup. I would say I like it better than the LR Baggs Lyric or Anthem demos that are on YouTube.

Maybe the fact that it was just going to a recorder and not to a live amp gave it an advantage though.
I agree that it's different recording direct as opposed to going through an amp but what I wanted to hear with this test is how good it sounds straight up at the source. If the source sounds good the rest should follow and I was not disappointed when I plugged the pickup into my amp.
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Old 05-30-2018, 10:15 AM
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On my Skysonic FS-1 (another mag/mic combo), I started out with the magnetic pickup all the way up and just a touch of mic. Then I went to turning both the mic and the pickup all the way up. Now I turn the mic all the way up and just bring in the magnetic pickup about halfway. This limits my overall volume, but if the crowd gets loud and I need more, I still have room to dial in more magnetic pickup without the fear of feeding back.

It sounds very good, but not as good as what I heard in the dman video. That is just fantastic! On the other hand, the FS-1 has a built in wireless transmitter and a more solid looking clamping system.

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Old 05-31-2018, 03:26 AM
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Just a couple of quick follow-up notes.....

Drago at Schertler said the M80 jack is compatible if it has a 3-pin connection.
So, I assume all is ok with the M80 m1c2 endpin jack.

With the strings out of the soundhole while changing them, I was able to
get a secure installation of the AG-6. It was always slightly loose when
I tried to work around the installed strings. This limits the portability
from guitar to guitar.

OTOH, now that the AG6 is in, I don't see it coming out any time soon....it
sounds darned good.
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Old 06-04-2018, 10:01 AM
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I had my first gig with the Schertler AG-6 + S-Mic-M Saturday night.
About 40 minutes into my first set, a friend came up to me between songs
to tell me how good the sound was. Unfortunately, I had switched the
guitar, strings, pickup, preamp and maybe even the PA. So who knows how
much of it was the AG-6.

The chain was Goodall HRCJC, AG-6/Mesa DI/Bose T1/L1Mod2.

I was able to get a
smooth and clear sound. During setup, I had to tame a squeal, but that was
done via the AG-6. I had no problem during the performance. No notch
filter was used. Later in the show, I ended up dialing back the treble a tad.
I was very pleased with the sonics. The AG-6 stays in the HRCJC.

vs the Black Angel in more home tests, the AG-6 is similar, but a little
more 3-D and a little less grainy.for lack of a better term.

The clamp????? Yes, it loosened during transport and had to be re-seated.
Not a show-stopper, but an aggravation.

The question is whether or not to get one for my RSC. The BA does fine
and the fuller sound of the AG-6 is less of an asset with the larger body.
I will stick with the BA for the time being.

Bottom line, the AG-6 is worth checking out. In the right setting, you can get
exceptionally good sound. I wonder how other dual source systems
sound in comparison.

Hope this helps.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:20 PM
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I have two acoustic guitar pickup setups right now:

1) An Epiphone Masterbilt DR-500MCE with a factory dual source magnetic/under saddle pickup set. I run this through a Boss AD-10 preamp to make the under saddle pickup sound more like a mic.

2) A Martin DX1 with a Skysonic FS1 (mag/mic/wireless transmitter combo) which I run without any extra processing.

Both setups sound really good. The Epiphone Shadow system with the AD-10 is really wonderful, but with the Skysonic, all I do is plug in the plug mounted receiver so it is an easier setup that still sounds almost as good.

I tend to use the Epiphone when it is my show, but the simpler mag/mic setup when it is an open mic and I don’t want to bring so much equipment.

The shadow pickup system plus the AD-10 sounds maybe larger than life, but the FS-1 sounds maybe more natural.
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Old 06-04-2018, 02:24 PM
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Why I hear on the earlier demo is a mag mic combo pickup with a better mic than any of the other options.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:59 AM
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For sake of completeness, I should clarify that the AG-6 sounds great
straight to my Bose T1, A&H Zed10fx, and straight to the L1C. With the
Mesa Rosette Preamp/DI, I get a boost switch, phase control, plus
slightly better sound.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:02 PM
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I've had an AG-6 for several years with microphone. First one failed and I had to pay postage to Switzerland even though it was under warranty. They replaced it and paid postage back to me but I was still out $50 or so with postage/insurance. Also, the mounting tabs are not well designed and the volume/mix controls are hard to use.

As for how it sounds, that's such a subjective thing. It doesn't sound bad. Does it sound better than a Sunrise? Guess it depends on what you like.
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