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Old 05-21-2018, 02:42 PM
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Default NCMICD! (New CITES Musical Instrument Certificate Day!)

Fresh off the press from the US Fish and Wildlife Service.

It's never been clear to me exactly what the requirements are for a personal player traveling internationally with a rosewood guitar. But that's going to be me this summer, so I decided it couldn't hurt.

The application was kind of a pain, because it asked for a lot of original manufacturer and import information. Blueridge never responded to my request for that info, but a Fish and Wildlife rep was super helpful. Took about 6 weeks for the permit to be approved and sent to me.

The permit doesn't seem at all practical for traveling musicians, as the paperwork came with a list of only 12 ports of entry into the United States that you're limited to when traveling under the permit.

I won't be traveling through any of those ports, but I'm just going to hope for the best.

Anyway, there's been a lot of discussion of CITES here, so I thought this might be of some interest.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:31 PM
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Is this for Brazillian? If not, why do you need a permit?

I was told by someone at Fish and Wildlife that for my personal East Indian Rosewood guitar I wouldn't need anything, that I could just walk it across.

What have you heard?
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:38 PM
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Is this for Brazillian? If not, why do you need a permit?

I was told by someone at Fish and Wildlife that for my personal East Indian Rosewood guitar I wouldn't need anything, that I could just walk it across.

What have you heard?
Carrying your personal - that is correct but the OP is wise to carry a certificate anyway - why take chances?
To sell and ship outside the country needs a certificate.
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Old 05-22-2018, 04:52 AM
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It’s great to have the paper work, but it is also good to know that it should not be needed. Here are some of the recent articles that confirm that personal travel with a rosewood guitar (apart from BRW) is fine:

https://www.avalonguitars.com/news/2...ES-Regulations

http://flyingwithguitars.com/2017/03...ewood-guitars/

https://www.andertons.co.uk/cites-law-guitarists

http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle...on-Guitar.aspx

In every one of the above references it is stated that it is fine to travel with a guitar that contains a rosewood such as EIR if it is for personal use. I did USA – Europe - Australia last year with a maddie rosewood guitar and the interest in my guitar on eight flights was absolutely zero. (Pity, because it's a nice guitar!)

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Thanks for the replies. I agree, it does seem that traveling with a personal guitar shouldn't be an issue. But when I was doing my own research, there seemed to be enough lack of clarity out there (including in the permit application materials) that I was worried about how I'd handle a potential over-zealous, under-informed customs agent. I figured that at least with an official document I'd have some evidence that my rosewood isn't Brazilian. I'm going to print out a copy of the CITES exemption paragraph quoted in the first video above and keep that with me too.
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Old 05-22-2018, 03:30 PM
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I would have thought that 'proof of ownership' and a copy of the CITES regulations would suffice too.
Keep them together in the hard case.
Do you still have a receipt or bill of sale from when you purchased the guitar?
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