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Can’t agree. Leo (Fender) has patents that make it completely different. If it were an acoustic with a pickup, yes. Thet’s Like saying American Football is the same as rugby. Similar ball and played on a large pitch but two different games.
While I would agree that the "Electric Guitar" as we know it today is more or less an American contribution . There really isn't a single person or set of patents that can be sighted as ( that was the invention of the electric guitar)

It might be more accurate to say it was the evolution of a series of attempts to amplifi the sound of acoustic string instruments by a number of people.
Arguably Adolph Rickenbacher had as much to do with the invention of the electric guitar of today , as anybody.
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It's supposed to be a musical instrument, not a medical instrument or whatever that is.
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I've always heard that the banjo was the only true American instrument, invented by Roscoe Sweeny in the 1830s..... I wonder if this is perhaps an outdated truth, or urban myth?

Isn't the pedal steel is another? What do you folks think? Can anyone come up with another instrument of uniquely American invention?

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From what I understand, the banjo predates Sweeney. As another poster has mentioned, Jefferson wrote about it being played by slaves. But, as far as I know, though it is similar to an African instrument known as an akonting, it was African-Americans that took the basic akonting design and modified it to have a flattened surface on the neck which, over time, became the fretboard.

So, I believe it's safe to say it is an American instrument which has African roots.
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I suppose the answer to this question depends on exactly what is meant by original. For instance, Native American flutes were predated by similar flue instruments in other parts of the world, but there is no evidence I have found to suggest that they were copied or evolved from those elsewhere. So in that sense, perhaps they are original.

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I'm up with accepting Native American flutes to the club . Odd that I didn't consider them . I own 2 of them .
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While ...There really isn't a single person or set of patents that can be sighted as ( that was the invention of the electric guitar)
You mean other than having patents on all the parts that make an electric guitar - an electric guitar? If you have an issue with Mr. Fender, that's okay. However, your information is incorrect. I'll "cite" some for you. Additionally, any work that Mr. Rickenbacker did - he did here in Los Angeles. So, again an American contribution.

If you're more of a visual person than a written word person, you can go here and view patent application drawings.

https://www.google.com/search?q=leo+...scWFIhV8zquvM:

Patents by Inventor C. Leo Fender
C. Leo Fender filed for patents to protect the following inventions. (USPTO).

Moisture-free electromagnetic pickup for an electrical musical instrument of the stringed type
Patent number: 4885970
Abstract: A pickup assembly for an electrical musical instrument is dipped in a hot wax bath in order to remove air pockets from the assembly. The resultant assembly provides consistent tonal characteristics despite humidity changes.
Type: Grant
Filed: July 31, 1987
Date of Patent: December 12, 1989
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Saddle assembly for guitar vibrato unit
Patent number: 4867031
Abstract: An improved saddle assembly for a guitar having a vibrato bridge assembly is disclosed. The improved saddle assembly has two parallel legs joined by a shoulder portion, one of the legs being longer than the other and the shoulder portion being provided with opposing string support grooves. The radius of curvature of the support grooves is larger than the radius of the largest guitar string, and the sides of the support groove are flared. The saddle assembly is reversible for positioning on the guitar so that the longer saddle assembly leg is closer to the centerline of the guitar neck, thereby providing a centering action and sustaining the guitar string upon flatting.
Type: Grant
Filed: May 13, 1988
Date of Patent: September 19, 1989
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Neck for guitar
Patent number: 4803906
Abstract: An electric guitar having a body and a neck that supports a fret board is provided with a neck that removably fits into a slot in the body. The guitar neck is constructed so that the portion of the mounting portion of the neck that fits into the body slot is of constant dimension, regardless of the fret board width, while the remaining portion of the mounting end is as wide as the fret board.
Type: Grant
Filed: September 15, 1986
Date of Patent: February 14, 1989
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Tuning system for vibrato guitar with string lock
Patent number: 4724737
Abstract: A guitar having a vibrato bridge assembly and a string lock mechanism for locking the strings at the intersection of the head and neck is provided with a fine-tuning mechanism on the bridge assembly. The tuning mechanism includes tuning knob elevator screws which are generally perpendicular to the face of the body of the guitar and which are easily accessible. Rotation of the tuning knob screws is coupled via an L-shaped rocker element to cause translational movement of the guitar strings thereby to adjust their tension and pitch. Rocker mechanisms are disclosed which minimize vibrational interference between adjacent rocker elements.
Type: Grant
Filed: February 18, 1986
Date of Patent: February 16, 1988
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Electromagnetic pickup for stringed musical instruments
Patent number: 4686881
Abstract: An electromagnetic pickup for an electric guitar or similar stringed instrument incorporates a magnetic pickup assembly having pole pieces whose heads are slotted. The heads are positioned directly below the strings of the guitar. By orienting the slots so that they are perpendicular to the strings a percussive sound characteristic is obtained. By rotating the heads so that the slots are parallel to the strings, a sound characteristic typical of dual pole pickups is achieved.
Type: Grant
Filed: September 30, 1985
Date of Patent: August 18, 1987
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Tuning system for vibrato guitar with string lock
Patent number: 4674389
Abstract: A guitar having a vibrato bridge assembly and a string lock mechanism for locking the strings at the intersection of the head and neck is provided with a fine-tuning mechanism on the bridge assembly. The tuning mechanism includes tuning knob elevator screws which are generally perpendicular to the face of the body of the guitar and which are easily accessible. Rotation of the tuning knob screws is coupled via an L-shaped rocker element to cause translational movement of the guitar strings thereby to adjust their tension and pitch. Rocker mechanisms are disclosed which minimize vibrational interference between adjacent rocker elements.
Type: Grant
Filed: June 11, 1986
Date of Patent: June 23, 1987
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Method of assembling a musical instrument neck
Patent number: 4670955
Abstract: A musical instrument neck formed from first and second elongate neck blanks, each having an inner face, the inner faces being fastened together. An elongate arcuate groove extends along the inner face of the first neck blank only. Coaxial holes are formed in the inner faces of the neck blanks, the hole in the first neck blank being aligned with and perpendicular to one end of the groove. An elongate truss rod is positioned in the groove and an anchor pin is connected to one end of the truss rod, perpendicular thereto, the pin extending into the first and second holes in the neck blanks so as to simultaneously anchor one end of the truss rod and align the first and second neck blanks during a gluing operation.
Type: Grant
Filed: March 11, 1985
Date of Patent: June 9, 1987
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Vibrato assembly
Patent number: 4671157
Abstract: A vibrato bridge assembly of an electric guitar is provided with a rotatable vibrato arm secured to a base plate by means of a bushing having a smooth-walled hole into which the arm fits. A set screw is provided to tighten against the arm to compensate for the tendency of the arm to become loose in the bushing.
Type: Grant
Filed: November 25, 1985
Date of Patent: June 9, 1987
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Pick-up for an electrical musical instrument of the stringed type
Patent number: 4581975
Abstract: A humbucking pick-up for an electrical musical instrument of the stringed type including two or three primary pick-up assemblies and, in either case, a lesser number of additional pick-up assemblies are all that is necessary to provide for humbucking, the secondary pick-up assemblies not being used for signal generation. The pick-up includes an instrument mounted preamplifier. With the preamplifier in use, the signals from the primary and secondary pick-up assemblies are summed thereat. The preamplifier may be bypassed and the signals from the primary pick-up assemblies conducted directly to an amplification system. This is accomplished while maximizing the output signal and still permitting humbucking. A dual tone control arrangement is provided so that the primary and secondary coils can be balanced simultaneously. The arrangement of the primary coils is such that the operation of the secondary humbucking coils is not affected thereby.
Type: Grant
Filed: April 9, 1984
Date of Patent: April 15, 1986
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Humbucking pick-up assembly including an unmagnetized, disassociated coil
Patent number: 4581974
Abstract: A pick-up assembly for stringed musical instruments including a pair of pick-up assemblies, only one of which is magnetized. The first and second pick-up assemblies are physically disassociated so that the reactance of the unmagnetized pick-up assembly does not interfere with the magnetized pick-up assembly. The unmagnetized pick-up assembly is lowered further into the body of the instrument than the magnetized pick-up assembly for the same purpose. The outputs of the two pick-up assemblies are summed at the negative input of an operational amplifier which negative input is a virtual ground so that neither coil acts as a load for the other coil.
Type: Grant
Filed: April 9, 1984
Date of Patent: April 15, 1986
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

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Sorry but I couldn't show half the Fender electric guitar patents on one post alone......... and these are just some of them.

Guitar neck and method of making same
Patent number: 4528886
Abstract: A musical instrument neck formed from first and second elongate neck blanks, each having an inner face, the inner faces being fastened together. An elongate arcuate groove extends along the inner face of the first neck blank only. Coaxial holes are formed in the inner faces of the neck blanks, the hole in the first neck blank being aligned with and perpendicular to one end of the groove. An elongate truss rod is positioned in the groove and an anchor pin is connected to one end of the truss rod, perpendicular thereto, the pin extending into the first and second holes in the neck blanks so as to simultaneously anchor one end of the truss rod and align the first and second neck blanks during a gluing operation.
Type: Grant
Filed: January 14, 1983
Date of Patent: July 16, 1985
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

String lock mechanism for musical instruments
Patent number: 4517874
Abstract: An electric guitar is provided with a string clamping mechanism comprised of a planar base plate and one or more planar top members for clamping the strings between the base plate and top members. The clamp is secured to the guitar on an inclined surface between the top of the neck and the head of the guitar and is of shallow design to avoid interference with the playing of the guitar. A separate nut is provided which may be filed to achieve the desired string clearance at the first fret. The configuration of the clamp is such that the strings will provide a force which tilts the top members forward and down at the front edge to provide improved clamping action. The simple design facilitates the provision of truss rod adjustment at the top of the neck of the guitar.
Type: Grant
Filed: June 19, 1984
Date of Patent: May 21, 1985
Inventor: C. Leo Fender
Angled humbucking pick-up for an electrical musical instrument of the stringed type
Patent number: 4463648
Abstract: A pick-up for an electrical musical instrument of the stringed type which provides better separation between the sound from each string in a humbucking pick-up. This is achieved by longitudinally offsetting from each other a pair of pick-up assemblies mounted in a housing and mounting the pick-up on the body of an electrical musical instrument at an obtuse angle relative to the direction of the strings, the angle of mounting of the housing on the body being a direct function of the longitudinal offset whereby each of the pick-up assemblies is centered under the strings.
Type: Grant
Filed: May 2, 1983
Date of Patent: August 7, 1984
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Splitter switch for humbucking musical instrument pick-ups
Patent number: 4319510
Abstract: In a pick-up for an electrical musical instrument of the type including first and second pick-up assemblies positioned in parallel, spaced relationship, each of the pick-up assemblies including at least one pole piece operatively associated with the strings of the instrument and a coil wound around the pole pieces, there is disclosed an improved splitter switch whereby whether the coils are connected in series or in parallel, when single coil operation is desired, the coils are connected in series with a capacitor across one of the coils whereby the splitter switch effectively provides single coil operation without decreasing the overall signal level of the pick-up.
Type: Grant
Filed: May 5, 1980
Date of Patent: March 16, 1982
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Saddle for bass guitar bridge or similar article
Patent number: D268272
Type: Grant
Filed: April 18, 1980
Date of Patent: March 15, 1983
Inventor: C. Leo Fender
Vibrato bridge for stringed musical instruments
Patent number: D268845
Type: Grant
Filed: July 1, 1980
Date of Patent: May 3, 1983
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Guitar bridge
Patent number: D269440
Type: Grant
Filed: May 26, 1981
Date of Patent: June 21, 1983
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Guitar head
Patent number: D270544
Type: Grant
Filed: June 5, 1981
Date of Patent: September 13, 1983
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Control panel for an electric guitar or the like
Patent number: D280640
Type: Grant
Filed: May 23, 1983
Date of Patent: September 17, 1985
Inventor: C. Leo Fender
Pick-up unit for electronic guitars
Patent number: D319456
Type: Grant
Filed: May 13, 1988
Date of Patent: August 27, 1991
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Bridge for stringed instruments
Patent number: 4281576
Abstract: In a bridge for stringed instruments of the type including a base member, a plurality of drums, and means connecting the drums to the base member in end-to-end relationship for independent lateral movement in two orthogonal directions to separately adjust the length and height of each string, there is disclosed an improved construction wherein the strings are conducted into engagement with the drums so as to apply an axial force to each of the drums to urge all of the drums axially into contact with each other and the first drum into contact with a fixed abutment on the base member.
Type: Grant
Filed: October 29, 1979
Date of Patent: August 4, 1981
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Electromagnetic pickup for stringed musical instruments
Patent number: 4220069
Abstract: A pickup for an electrical musical instrument of the stringed type including first and second pickup assemblies, each pickup assembly including a plurality of metallic, unmagnetized pole pieces operatively associated with the strings of the instrument, the pole pieces being aligned in parallel, spaced-apart relationship, generally perpendicular to the plane of the strings, first ends of all of the pole pieces being closely adjacent to the plane of the strings, second ends of all of the pole pieces being flat and planar.
Type: Grant
Filed: June 20, 1979
Date of Patent: September 2, 1980
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Musical instrument truss rod assembly
Patent number: 4074606
Abstract: In a truss rod assembly for adjusting the curvature of the neck of a musical instrument of the type including an elongate, curved truss rod positionable within the instrument neck and having one end thereof fixed thereto, the other end thereof being movable to increase or decrease the tension on the truss rod to adjust the curvature of the instrument neck, there is disclosed an improvement wherein a major part of the central portion of the truss rod is flattened to increase the flexibility thereof, such flattening of the truss rod being in a plane perpendicular to the plane of curvature of the truss rod.
Type: Grant
Filed: October 20, 1976
Date of Patent: February 21, 1978
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

String post for musical instruments
Patent number: 4046050
Abstract: A string post for a musical instrument of the type which extends perpendicular to the instrument head and is adapted to be rotated manually to tighten a string wrapped therearound, the string post having a constantly decreasing diameter from the outer end thereof to a plane closely adjacent the instrument head so as to urge a string wrapped therearound toward and into contact with the instrument head.
Type: Grant
Filed: February 23, 1976
Date of Patent: September 6, 1977
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Bridge for stringed instruments
Patent number: 4031799
Abstract: In a bridge for stringed instruments of the type including a plurality of independently movable drums which permit independent adjustment of the length and height of each string of the instrument, there is disclosed an improved construction wherein all of the drums are urged axially into contact with each other and a fixed post to reduce vibration of the drums and wherein the adjustment holes through the drums are arranged to prevent fraying of the sleeve of a player of the instrument as such sleeve passes over the bridge.
Type: Grant
Filed: January 26, 1976
Date of Patent: June 28, 1977
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Tone control circuit
Patent number: 4002994
Abstract: A tone control circuit comprising an operational amplifier having an input and an output and a negative feedback circuit connected between the output and the input, the feedback circuit including a plurality of resistors and capacitors for controlling the magnitude of the high and low frequency components fed back to the input of the operational amplifier to selectably provide low frequency boost and high frequency boost or cut, the circuit having a high input impedance, a low output impedance, gain, and a relatively constant phase shift.
Type: Grant
Filed: January 26, 1976
Date of Patent: January 11, 1977
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

Control panel for an electric guitar or the like
Patent number: D256803
Type: Grant
Filed: March 6, 1978
Date of Patent: September 9, 1980
Inventor: C. Leo Fender
Bridge assembly for stringed musical instruments
Patent number: D256804
Type: Grant
Filed: March 6, 1978
Date of Patent: September 9, 1980
Inventor: C. Leo Fender

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ManyMartinMan, Concerning the above posts , you have misread and are reading things into my posts I did not say .

#1 .... I have no "issue with Fender" (totally "out of left field" imagination)
#2 .... Where did I say Rickenbacher or his work was not an American contribution ?? If you took the wording of my post that way, it was not intended . I was not objecting to the Electric guitar as an American instrument , I was objecting to Leo Fender as the inventor of the electric guitar.
#3 also having access to Google I was already aware of Fenders patents "specific" to the parts he used on Fender Guitars . Which BTW date from 1976 and later, meaning the development the electric guitar which basically started in the 30's was some 40 years in development by the time those patents were filed, Now obviously no way of knowing when he came up with the idea's, but it does not matter as they are specific to Fenders designs, and while they certainly represent contributions to the development and improvement of already existing tech, and moving the concepts forward, they are not proof of having "invented " the electric guitar per se, just sayin .

#3 I think there is no question that Leo Fender was a pivotal influence in the development and popularity of the modern electric guitar. (I put this in bold in the hopes you will not continue to misread my statements)

And he like Henry Ford and auto's, certainly gets credit for developing the mass production of the item....

However I clearly stated (which you actually quoted ) and was simply pointing out that in terms of "inventing the electric guitar" he was not exclusive or the one single person.. Which objectively takes nothing away from Leo Fender's contributions.
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I'm up with accepting Native American flutes to the club . Odd that I didn't consider them . I own 2 of them .
There have been flutes found in Neanderthal cave dwellings in Germany that date back more than 40,000 years. Are the flutes made by Native Americans significantly different? Or is the flute something that humans have been making since long before they reached North America. Even the earliest estimates of human migration into the New World are much later on than the first flutes.
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There have been flutes found in Neanderthal cave dwellings in Germany that date back more than 40,000 years. Are the flutes made by Native Americans significantly different? Or is the flute something that humans have been making since long before they reached North America. Even the earliest estimates of human migration into the New World are much later on than the first flutes.
Who said that humans migrated to North and South America ? I think that concept is totally flawed .
I put it to you that you need to prove the difference in the flutes , if it is real . In other words , prove your position if you can .
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Kick drum pedals. Ludwig came up with the basic design in 1910 that is still relatively unchanged. Just to add, Drums are not an American invention, but the modern drum set and many innovations realated to it can be arguably be said to have been born here.
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There have been flutes found in Neanderthal cave dwellings in Germany that date back more than 40,000 years. Are the flutes made by Native Americans significantly different?...
This is why I put the qualifiers that I did in Post #20 of this thread. What exactly is meant by "original?" If it means the first ever of its type, then even banjos can't be considered Original American Instruments, since they were long predated by other stringed, necked, fretted instruments. How different does an instrument have to be in order to be considered original? (I ask this somewhat from the perspective of a musicologist, not to be argumentative.)

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The Appalachian dulcimer (or mountain dulcimer) isn't really an original American instrument. In it's present form maybe, but the European scheitholt long predates the dulcimer and is almost exactly the same, with it's diatonic fretting system and usually having 3 to 4 strings. Our dulcimer's hourglass shape may be American-invented, but I think the dulcimer may owe it's origin here to scheitholts being brought over by immigrants.

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Who said that humans migrated to North and South America ? I think that concept is totally flawed.
The alternative being what?
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