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Old 05-31-2012, 07:35 PM
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Default Bamburg True Temperament

Hi all. I am new to the forum and this will be my first build thread. This will be a True Temperament build. True Temperament is a patented fretting system developed by Pal Guy in Sweden. I will start the build pics but am waiting on the fret board and frets from Paul. Briefly, the compensation for intonation is done at each fret rather that at the saddle. More about this soon.

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Here's the wood. Myrtle back and sides with Port Orford Cedar top and neck.

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Thanks for the post, really looking forward to seeing your progress on this build.
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very cool. please share as much information as possible.
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This is going to be interesting.
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Presumably some voicings and inversions will be more consonant than equal temperament and others less so? What is the harmonic strategy of its divergence from the compromise of equal temperament?
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What happens with the possible use of a capo and/or altered tunings...?
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What happens with the possible use of a capo and/or altered tunings...?
Andy McKee was playing a guitar with this configuration, so presumably it works ok for tunings. It'd be interesting to know what happens...

By the way, I played Andy's briefly - you don't even really notice when you're playing.

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is it also compensated at the saddle for the open strings and the harmonics? I'm really curious!

just trying to imagine this technique with a multi-scale....
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And bending notes might get a little strange?
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is it also compensated at the saddle for the open strings and the harmonics? I'm really curious!

just trying to imagine this technique with a multi-scale....
Saddle compensation is for fretted notes only, compensating for string stretch. Compensating the nut would be for the open/harmonic notes.
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A friend and I were discussing temperament, compensation, and various compromises one day so I did a web search and found Paul in Sweden. I was curious so I sent him a neck for the fret treatment. The first guitar I built with the TT frets has been well received at Montreal and Healdsburg and I have been getting good feedback from players. Thanks for the interest. Here is a link to the TT website FAQ page. Lots of information here.

http://www.truetemperament.com/site/...php?go=4&sgo=0
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:27 AM
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Sanden guitars has been using the true temperament fretboard, too:

http://www.sandenguitars.com/eng/options.html
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Welcome to the JBam! Looks like an interesting build. We're all interested in the true temperament fretboard.

Looking forward to pics.
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Default True good to be true?

I've always wanted a true tempered guitar, and its really great to see a commercial option for one...if it isn't super expensive and doesn't adversely affect the sound. How could it affect the sound? Here's my thinking:

I've tuned a few pianos...pianos have three strings for each note...and each of those strings are tuned ever so slightly different. If the strings are dead equal tuning, and the temper is true, the result is a rather dull, though precise sound. So pianos are deliberately detuned a bit to add richness to the sound. Course its a piano and not a guitar, so that's a big strike against the piano.

I'm wondering if you temper the guitar, if will sound more hollow...if some richness will be lost? I think by adjusting the bridge to compensate for thick strings, that's all that's needed. When I've played well tuned high-end guitars, the lack of temper is not a problem. I mean, do Paul Simon's or Eric Clapton's guitars sound out of tune? Do your's Jim? I rather doubt it. But there is always room for improvement.

Great experiment...look forward to the results.
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