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I doubt it. It's nothing I've ever run into. Guitars just all sound different. Some suit different people's playing and singing more than others, but I'd be hard pressed to single out overtones for praise or blame.
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A guitar teacher friend once showed me how use my right hand to damp the strings for blues "to make a Martin guitar sound like a Sears guitar." But I've always thought of that as taming the sustain, not the overtones. Just semantics? That'd be good enough for me. Cool is its own reward. Go ask the masses! Last edited by Charlie Bernstein; 03-26-2024 at 08:05 AM. |
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So, more overtones or less; it depends on the sound you're looking for. .
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Yep...For me it depends on what music I'm playing. Early on I loved the way overtones (&sustain) added sound & filled "space". HOWEVER, when I started to listen to my recordings AND my playing got more "complicated" I started to hear how added (unnecessary) overtones, sustain, etc. sometimes got in the way of what I wanted to be heard. There are plenty of times when I want a note(s) to be heard but then "get out of the way" for what I'm playing next. Technique certainly is important but if the guitar can make it easier to accomplish by the nature of it's tone...then even better. So...IMHO it depends on what I'm playing.
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I don't understand anything of that is discussed.
How do you hear overtone? "In a guitar, an overtone is a higher frequency sound that vibrates in multiples of the fundamental frequency being played. When you pluck a string on a guitar, the string vibrates not only at its fundamental frequency (the pitch you perceive most prominently), but also at higher frequencies called overtones or harmonics. These overtones are integral to the richness and color of the sound produced by the instrument. The fundamental frequency determines the note you hear, while the overtones add depth and complexity to the sound. Overtones are a natural part of any musical tone, and they contribute to the timbre or quality of the sound, helping to distinguish one instrument from another, even if they are playing the same note. In guitars and other stringed instruments, players can also intentionally isolate and play these overtones by lightly touching the string at specific points, creating what are known as harmonic notes." - according to Google When I pluck my guitar I hear the note I'm playing, what are you all hearing? |
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This is a 15 year old thread . . . .
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The quality of the note. The relative richness/complexity of that note. The greater the overtone content, the more complex the note. Notice I did not say "more" or "fewer overtones." You can't count them, can you?
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15 years and relevant. My own journey has been toward drier guitars as I became a faster and cleaner flat picker. My 00 15 was a revelation of clarity. My M36, lovely as it was had too many overtones and now resides with a finger picking friend. You have to find your own sweet spot. For some that will be an HD 35.
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same here. I dig it.
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You sure can count them if you record the guitar into a daw, and then throw that clip into one of 8 gazillion frequency analyzer plugins, you can quite easily count the overtones, they are visually quite distinct on a waveform graph. "More" or "fewer" overtones would be correct, and also amplitude of each over tone.
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And, it seems, the answer is still: It depends… :-) Best, Jayne |
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Don't know whether that's all they're talking about, though. It's all guitar voodoo to me. I do think we can all adjust our playing to fit the situation. If your rosewood is too warm, play closer to the bridge. If your mahogany is too bright, play it up on the neck. It ain't rocket science. Suborbital propulsion at best. I get that there's more to it than that, but I'm not a connie-sewer. I'm content if I just have a playable guitar and fun folks to play it with. |
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Not anymore! IMO, it's a pretty good question. In a lifetime of playing and enthusiasm for guitars, I have generally heard and read comments assuming that the most complex and "hi fi" (overtone rich; harmonics are easily audible alongside the fundamental note) guitar tones are an indicator of the best guitars. (I'm talking only about the vastly most common guitars -- steel strings.) Looking back at the history of American guitar-making, I think we can see how this perspective developed, and very specifically with Martin as that company lead the way in what has become a sort of American specialty: high performance steel string guitars of great quality. And on the surface, it's a logical standard that is often applied for all kinds of sound production devices. But as I listened to other people and learned, I came to recognize how other guitar types can be incredible in other applications. Gibson Hummingbirds have often been very "dull" guitars, with little sparkle or articulation, but their clear fundamental and comparatively limited harmonics make them a great complement for vocals, and great for chording and rhythm -- applications where a really busy sound would not work well. I've spouted off enough, but absolutely recommend finding the guitar voices that suit you most and go with those. We're no longer huddled around a single mike wishing we had "banjo killers," or a booming bass to make up for the lack of a string bass... I suspect that a lot of musicians making recordings would and do appreciate a clearer and more fundamental-forward sound.
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