Sound hole PU or K&K PWM

[lizzard]

Originally Posted by alohachris

Aloha,

Back from surfing da Mokes!

Eh, I think whoever designed the ES really had too much wine and buds. Hope it wasn't Bob.

The K&K may look like a toy but the ES sounds and breaks like a cheap toy.

alohachris

Obviously - Da gude stof essen AwaEE...

Aloha to you too,...

Chris

[66strummer]

Lou....

Perhaps you have ordered something by now but I was curious why you only asked about 2 pickup possibilities. There are a lot of choices out there these days. While a lot of folks consider the K&K stuff the cat's meow, it's good to consider most of the affordable options IMO. I ran out and bought the K&K pickups for a few guitars as per the many positive reviews and wasn't as impressed as I figured I would be. Nobody asked you what application you will be using this for either, but someone did post the pickup comparison page......hopefully that was helpful. Good luck.

[rhancox]

If a K&K is the way you're going to go, check out the JJB-Electronics Prestige 330 (the link in my sig) first.

It is a soundboard transducer (SBT) system just like the K&K but it is at least 40% cheaper. I have them in both my (playable) guitars and they sound great.

I'm not trying to get into the argument of which is better, UST, SBT or soundhole pickup. What I'm trying to point out is the price difference between the K&K and JJB for the exact same product.

If the K&K is what you want, do your due diligence and take a look at the JJB before you buy.

[66strummer]

Originally Posted by rhancox

If a K&K is the way you're going to go, check out the JJB-Electronics Prestige 330 (the link in my sig) first.

It is a soundboard transducer (SBT) system just like the K&K but it is at least 40% cheaper. I have them in both my (playable) guitars and they sound great.

I'm not trying to get into the argument of which is better, UST, SBT or soundhole pickup. What I'm trying to point out is the price difference between the K&K and JJB for the exact same product.

If the K&K is what you want, do your due diligence and take a look at the JJB before you buy.

This comes up pretty regularly now, rh (K&K vs JJB). One of the K&K issues for some folks is that the full size can be more bass heavy (higher output) & feedback prone, so people go with the more recommended mini. What is the size of the transducers on the JJB? Closer to the mini or the full size PW? Also what do you use as a preamp with it?

[jaskofall]

Hey Ryan,

you can order the JJB 330's made with 20mm discs or 15mm discs.

The same preamp that will work well with the K&K's will work well with the JJB's, as they are identical in that respect.
I just actually ordered some JJB 15mm 330's to wire to the second input of my wavelength in one of my guitars.

People have been getting fired up here lately havent they, maybe we all need to relax

Jasko

[66strummer]

Originally Posted by jaskofall

Hey Ryan,

you can order the JJB 330's made with 20mm discs or 15mm discs.

The same preamp that will work well with the K&K's will work well with the JJB's, as they are identical in that respect.
I just actually ordered some JJB 15mm 330's to wire to the second input of my wavelength in one of my guitars.

People have been getting fired up here lately havent they, maybe we all need to relax

Jasko

Thanks for the info, Jask.....

I think it's that Pure "Western" name that does it. Everybody starts drawing their six shooters!

[jaskofall]

Hey Ryan

I thought the "western" bit meant I had to put on my chaps.

Does that mean I gotta take them off??

Jasko

[kramster]

Where did you mount the JJBs?

[66strummer]

Originally Posted by jaskofall

Hey Ryan

I thought the "western" bit meant I had to put on my chaps.

Does that mean I gotta take them off??

Jasko

Well you got me with that response!

[66strummer]

Originally Posted by kramster

Where did you mount the JJBs?

Same 3 places (forward of the bridge pins) on the bridge plate as the K&K PWM mounts, as far as I know.

[jaskofall]

Hey there,

I mounted them in the same place on the bridge plate as the K&K's.

I did however mount the the 2 outside discs a little further out (about 3mm) rather than exactly between the pairs of strings and mounted the middle on about 2 mm closer to the soundhole to try and improve the balance.

With all K&K's that I Have heard, when they are directly placed between the strings, the Low E and the High e always seem to have slightly lower volume. I think this is because the 4 middle strings are "surrounded" by transducers, where as the outside strings have the transducers only on 1 side. If you know what I mean.
With my method above they seem to be perfectly balanced.

Jasko

[donh]

K&K is more natural by far. I have never been unable to turn it up loud enough for any situation I have played in, and usually I have been able to turn it up Too Loud! :-)

The suggestion to use both pickups is reasonable if you want to throw hardware at it instead of knowlege ....

Best of luck/skill!

[jaskofall]

Originally Posted by donh

The suggestion to use both pickups is reasonable if you want to throw hardware at it instead of knowlege ....

How is having knowledge going to sound better than having a dual source system??

Jasko

[alohachris]

Aloha Mate,

To the OP: Start with the K&K Trinity Dual System with the internal mic. You get much better sound, control and flexibility with two sources rather than just a single pickup. To me, NO SINGLE PICKUP ALONE SOUNDS ACCEPTABLE. Save your money. Buy the K&K Trinity. Buy a preamp than handles dual sources. Enjoy the more natural sound. It's simple! If you want more of an electric sound, get a Magmic or Sunrise. For more natural it's dual sources and K&K, IMO.

By the way, who cares what pickup anyone chooses? Most of 'em can be dialed in with a decent EQ pretty much......something you can't find on a PAAAADDDDDDIIII! Right jasko?!? It can't handle dual systems either which as I said are much preferrable in every way.

Jess havin' some fun here on a Labor Day holiday. I think it's the endorphins speaking after three hours of surfing at the Mokulua Islands on the Windward side today and a two-mile paddle out and back. Doesn't have a thing to do with those budddzzzzz at the BBQ. Yeah, sure! (Yikes, my mother's face just came into my head, "Act your age, son." I am Ma! I am!)

Cheers & Laugh A Lot Guys! Too Right Mate!

alohachris

[jaskofall]

Aloha Chris,

BTW: +1 on the trinity that Aloha suggested, its a great no fuss system

Jasko