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Thinking about it, I can get a better tone for my audience when playing wirelessly. That’s because, in small gigs where you do your own sound, I can walk in front of the stage and listen to my sound, and eventually adjust it. Can’t do it wired. So, just for the sake of theories, I get a better tone with a wireless system.
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I cannot hear any change of tone when i go wireless. Easy peasy!
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With the company's permission I'd like to qualify my original position, by approx 180⁰, frequency response is not the issue, transient response is.
This will affect some things more that others but if I were asked to design a mechanism for illustrating the issue I would invent the steel string acoustic guitar and play it with a pick. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz_Ag8pEUJ4 Dave Rat on wireless IEMs, same (similar) technology to wireless guitar systems.
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My Boss WL20 has the added capacitance to emulate a cable. I can’t hear the difference. Boss also offers the WL20s for acoustics. It does not have the cable emulation and claims to pass through more high frequencies.
So, Boss claims if it sounds like a cable it’s wrong for acoustics. |
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I have a Line6 G50 wireless unit - I use it for my electric guitars and have used it with my acoustic guitars - I can't tell a difference between the G50 and a hard wire cord. The guitars sounded great through the PA either way. I also find the wireless to be more advantageous when on a small cramped stage - less spaghetti on the smaller floor - hard cords on a bigger stage work fine as they have since the inception of amplified guitars.
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100% wireless. Performer to pedal board and pedal board to PA
My current fantasy dream is to go to an open mic, plop my pedal board down on stage, hand the person operating the house PA two dongles/receivers, one for guitar and one for voice and go right into sound check and performance.
To do this, I need my headworn wirelss mic and wireless guitar transmitter feeding receivers plugged into my harmonizer (and any other pedals I use) and the ultimate outputs going to transmitters matching the receiver/dongles I handed to the PA. I have that now....almost. I have got the setup almost performance-ready except for the signal from my pedal board to the PA. I cannot afford a high-end XLR-based microphone plug-in transmitter, so convert the male XLR output of the harmonizer to 1/4" plug to use a guitar transmitter, and do a similar conversion at the PA from 1/4" to XLR. This works but introduces an unacceptable whine. Higher pitched than the 60-cycle hum, but lower than static noise. It could be impedance mis-match or something else, but my electrical knowledge has just hit its limit. My budget for something like the Sennheiser XSW-D XLR Base Set Portable Wireless System has also hit its limit and the $100 ones all seem to have reviews that mention having hiss. Sketchy details of the board are here: https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=607501 Thanks for reading. Lost Sheep |
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#1 priority for any decent soundtech is to become an invisible link between artist and audience and this should be the same for the machinery involved. The technology has evolved over time into a mature, reliable system which, in an ideal world, provides a platform for the artist to do his/her thing and have that conveyed to the (hopefully) paying public. Anything that gets in the way is to be avoided and to be deliberately obstructive seems a little self-indulgent. If you're leaping round an arena I can understand the quest for cable-freedom but that's an expensive game to play well, otherwise hunt out the Shure podcast on the topic of wireless mics and you'll quickly understand why there needs to be a good reason for losing the cables. For the record I'm not resistant to the technology per se, I have wireless mics for when I soundtech events and wireless systems for when I play guitar but I know their limitations and choose my tools carefully on any given night.
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I plead guilty to self-indulgence. Innocent of deliberately obstructive (though my self-indulgence does sometimes cross over to obstruction - I am not unfamiliar with self-sabotage -but that is not deliberate.) Quote:
I don't wander off-stage, but the convenience of getting on and off quickly appeals. Before I decided to add a stomp box and harmonizer, getting up on stage was pretty simple. I climb up, set my lead sheets up (on a computer screen now) while the PA guy/gal plugs my guitar in and I sidle up to the venue's microphone. Adding cables to let me use my own mic and pedal board makes getting on stage more difficult, which I seek to simplify. That is the "good reason" for losing the cables. Then, I went overboard (self-indulgent) by seeking the ultimate-no cables at all! If that proves impractical or unaffordable, so be it. But I am enjoying the hunt and would enjoy it immensely if I succeeded. I am having a hard time finding Shure's podcast. Do you have a web address? A search for "Shure" and "Podcast" produces SO many links. I appreciate your thoughts. I do need to rebalance my imagination with reality periodically. Thanks. Here is an example of one setup that would do: Dead simple, but does not allow the PA to do much and does not allow for any stomp boxes. And, yes, it is self indulgent, but fun. Joyo made a wireless guitar transmitter-receiver pair. I bought two and gave one to my Brother. It worked great for him at home, but in his band at Church, he got interference. After I bought them, I noticed there was a microphone input on the side and the unit actually combines the voice and guitar feeds into one. I could get up on stage, hand the receiver to the PA and start playing. The PA cannot balance the two volumes, though, so it is up to me on stage. Last edited by Lost Sheep; 02-26-2021 at 05:36 PM. |
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There is always a danger that we "system build" as a self-distraction technique rather than work on our content (material, performance). This may not be what you're doing but it really sounds like it is.
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In my "defense", it is not not stupidest thing I have ever done. (or probably ever will do) Also in my defense, I will not subject my audience to it until it works perfectly and is 100% reliable. I appreciate your candor. And your perceptiveness. You would be a good mentor to any up-and-coming performer, I think. |
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In the interests of full disclosure I should also confess that if I know something is a bad idea it's usually because I've tried it, sometimes repeatedly.
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systems a line6 and the xvive. neither sounded like they effected tone. I honestly couldnt tell the difference between the wireless and my mogami cable. used them on guitar and mandolin. i probably wouldnt record with one but for a live gig there was no dicernable difference to me. but i use passive pickups. |
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Further reading would suggest that different systems (including pickup/transmitter combinations) will be subject to a variety of forms of interference. If you/I have a combination that works then that's as far as we need to explore but keep a cable handy as environmental pressures may vary.
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Fortunately (or sadly), my audiences are so small that it would be possible to go without amplification (at least until my lungs gave out) for portions of my repertoire. I was in the audience at a Hobo Jim performance, when the house PA failed. He simply went out to his vehicle and brought in a Fishman SA220 and cranked back up. Took maybe 2-3 minutes. He was completely unfazed (I imagine, with his background, he dealt with much worse scenarios). Where I was sitting, it sounded just as good. Last edited by Lost Sheep; 03-01-2021 at 04:39 PM. Reason: Need subject line |