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I once tried one in a radio station news booth and (as I suspected) it was a nightmare because of the large plate glass window and the tape decks (with motors). The bounce off the glass was very apparent and because of the extended HF response and low self-noise, you could plainly hear the bearings in the tape deck motors . Not saying this is your setup, but a TLM 103 in an average bedroom studio is not a good idea. In addition, the TLM 103 doesn't like certain preamps, like the Mackies of Focusrite Red two channel preamp (among others). In those situations, the mic sounds spitty. The AKG C414 can be equally finnicky. SO if you want to use either of those mics, you also need to plan for preamps that don't make the mics sound bad. Regards, Ty Ford |
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Rick, any time I've removed the headgrille from a condenser mic it turned into a noise antenna because the headgrille is grounded and also acts as a noise shield. Think maybe Dick was using dynamic or ribbon mics? Regards, Ty Ford |
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I totally forgot about Faraday Shielding. Back in the day, the people who built recording studios used to apply metal panels to the walls (and probably ceilings and floors), connect them and ground them, protecting the entire area within from stray AC and RF fields. Since this was an added expense, only studios with a true concern for purity and with deep pockets went that route. Dick was certainly in those circles, so it was very possible that he could have removed the headgrille from a condenser mic without problems. Regards, Ty Ford |
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Ty, this is not what I was getting at in my last few posts though the one ear thing comes close. I often use one mike in mono for the sound I want and then add the second mike in stereo for best improvement over the mono sound. The issue I was talking about is largely unrelated to gear and more about how the brain interprets phase issues in mono versus stereo and how that may relate to guitar recordings. I will drop it for now (perhaps another thread).
Regarding the TLM 103 I was not condeming it at all although I do have mikes I prefer using at this point. The last time I used it I was using it with a Great River MP-2H. There is always room for room improvement.
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the discussion that has ensued has been IMO entirely on topic. And of course what you are stating from a strict Laws of physics related to audio standpoint Is also entirely accurate i.e. : Two of same or simular signals arriving at a single mic at different time intervals will indeed strictly speaking be out of phase (even at single or fractions of milliseconds) as would in fact be the case with an acoustic guitar single close mic'ed at say 6" from the 14 th fret. The sound ( which travels at aprox. 1ft in 1 millisecond) coming from the lower rear of the guitar sound board (lets call it 24" from the 14 fret) is going to arrive at the mic aprox lets say 1.5 milliseconds after the sound from the 14 fret. So the question is not weather or not there will be phase issues and resulting comb filtering effects because in fact there will be. The question is weather or not at those single or fractions of milliseconds, will they be discernable buy the human ear and brain and if so to what extent and how that might be interpreted. This question is actually the source for endless debate in the audiophile world. Which is where I first ran into it, for 6 years I sold high end to audiophile grade stereo gear. It was actually a great opportunity to developed my critical listening skills by listening to music on great systems every day all day long. In all Honesty I was not a great salesman because if I thought some of the hype was BS I said so to my customers.
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Kev, thanks for that. Glad to know we are on the same page at least in regards to what I was trying to talk about and not having me read yet more mundane principles of a recording setup.
Regarding time interval variance of sound arriving at a mike from different parts of the guitar, it would be quite noticeable IMO -we know how much difference slight movements of mike position can make for example. I agree more directional mikes (say hypercardioid) might address the issue somewhat but the recordings still may not sound that good due to other issues such as decreased ambiance, increased proximity effects, ect.
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Thanks guys, I've been away from the pc mostly & need to get caught up. Thanks for the SOS article too!
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