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Rainsong CH and H series guitars...
what's the difference? Is it just the H series has the striped tops that match the back and sides and also the inlays that the CH series doesn't have?
Thanks, Debbie
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Unidirectional Top Gloss Top Satin Back/Sides "Blacked Out" appointments (tuners, rosette...) Short Scale - 12-fret Hybrid H series: Woven Carbon top All Gloss Round fretboard markers Chrome tuners Standard scale -14 fret Also, not all body sizes are available in all series. No CH-D for example.
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The word "hybrid" in the names of both models is that they are made with a mix of carbon fibers and glass fibers in the composite. As I understand it, these hybrids are not as strong as pure carbon fiber, but still very strong (far stronger than wood) and just as resistant to temperature and humidity. They are also said to have a "warmer" tone.
The "Concert Hybrid" models have a pure carbon fiber unidirectional top with hybrid construction for the back and sides. Not sure about the neck. I had always assumed that the top for the Hybrid line had both carbon weave and glass fiber layers. But it may be all carbon. I'm not sure. |
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The bridge plate, neck bolt area, and end pin area have hard build ups which if all CF, could be made with glass fiber for the center layers, with little sacrifice in the final product durability, but a loss of the marketing claim of all CF and some lowering of cost to build. In the original Hybrids you could see the glass in the neck and end pin build ups. Almost right away they switched to only glass for the center layers. I think that is the primary difference. Possibly the glass fiber core bridge plate is a little less stiff which yields a more mellow tone. My personal favorites for tone are the CH models. Otherwise the Hybrids have always had less expensive cosmetics.
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Rainsong CH and H series guitars...
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Thanks for that info. The unidirectional tops are RainSong's lightest and they are crazy responsive because of that. I've played a Classic Series jumbo and, while it was a nice guitar, it was mostly loud [emoji4] The unidirectional top was introduced on the Concert Series (way back in the day and with the abalone rosette and inlays). Then came the Shorty and the Parlor 12 and 14 fretters with the same tops, and now finally the CH or Concert Hybrid Series over three body types. I didn't know that about the top Jon but that is very interesting. Isn't also true that all the guitars mentioned above have fiberglass mixed in with CF on the woven back and sides? I would guess that all RainSong necks are solid CF for strength.
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And of course I could be wrong too :~).
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The sides of all RainSongs are a single layer of CF. If you hold a flashlight directly against the side and look at that spot through the sound hole, you will see the single layer of weave very clearly. Because of the specialized tooling to injection mold the neck (by the way the only CF part of a RainSong that is not built with pre-impregnated CF) the only practical thing for them to do is build them all the same (plus or minus some inlays and a final finish of gloss or satin polyurethane). They are an epoxy core, likely cut with a filler to reduce weight and fine tune the physical properties of the epoxy wrapped in CF. The epoxy core is visible under the truss rod cover. CF might be light compared to steel, but would be too heavy and expensive to use as the core of a neck (and a complete waste). In my opinion, you should choose the RainSong model you like the best and not be concerned with the materials with which it was constructed. All RainSongs are going to be stable in the face of humidity and temperature. All RainSongs will not deform over time and require a neck reset. One last comment I've made before, just because you can't see bracing does not mean there is not a lot going on in the construction of a RainSong.
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I understand it is quite a commitment once a mould is made. |
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Taylor copied the pressed, arch back Guild design, which is well known for good projection. Plenty of folks use a flat backed braced plywood back.
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Once you've chosen your design, no reason not to claim it is better. If arched back flat top guitars were truly the best for projection, then they would at least be represented in factory high end guitars.
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And another observation, the glue joint (reinforced with a CF flange) of the top to the sides of a RainSong really impresses me. It is not painted over and on my RainSongs absolutely perfect, like a 15 series Martin. I think this is not easy and another aspect of the content in what looks like a simple design.
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