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Old 08-29-2019, 08:23 AM
hkginobili hkginobili is offline
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Default Nylon Crossover: Furch GNc2-SW or takamine TC135sc

I want a nylon string guitar with the warm tone of a classical guitar, but with the playability and cutaway of a steel string guitar.

Are there any good suggestions? My budget is around 1500 euro.

Furch GNc2-SW or takamine TC135sc seems good, but both guitars are not available for me to try in person.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:52 AM
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That's a nice budget you have there, which should allow you to buy something quite nice.

Be wary that I transitioned from steel string guitars to flamenco guitars while still playing the same songs. I would definitely say the play-ability of a proper nylon string guitar is far superior to a steel string. I actually bought a crossover at first, but after two months sold it and got a proper flamenco guitar. I would also say that for the money, you will get better flamenco and classical guitars than crossovers.

First advice would be to try some flamenco or classical guitars. You may quickly realise that you like that fretboard. If you want an idea of good brands, I couldn't recommend Camps enough.

Otherwise you should look at crossovers, but I would recommend a minimum nut width of 48mm. I think Furch crossovers have a smaller nut than that.
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Old 08-29-2019, 06:03 PM
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That's a nice budget you have there, which should allow you to buy something quite nice.

Be wary that I transitioned from steel string guitars to flamenco guitars while still playing the same songs. I would definitely say the play-ability of a proper nylon string guitar is far superior to a steel string. I actually bought a crossover at first, but after two months sold it and got a proper flamenco guitar. I would also say that for the money, you will get better flamenco and classical guitars than crossovers.

First advice would be to try some flamenco or classical guitars. You may quickly realise that you like that fretboard. If you want an idea of good brands, I couldn't recommend Camps enough.

Otherwise you should look at crossovers, but I would recommend a minimum nut width of 48mm. I think Furch crossovers have a smaller nut than that.
Thanks for your advice.
I've tried a Ramirez cut 1, but i think the playability is not that good, especially on upper frets where I often use. So I think I would still prefer a crossover guitar. Seems I have to accept the fact that the sound of the crossover guitar may not be as good as ordinary classical guitar.
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:01 AM
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There are more options. For example, you could try Cordoba's GK Pro Negra, for example, which has a 50mm nut, and a cutaway. Electronics if you want them.

Classical guitars are set up to have high action so all buzz is avoided and a large dynamical range is available. Flamenco guitars are set up to have lower action (like crossovers also). I have mine at 2.9mm to 3.5 mm.

Here are some more flamenco guitars with cutaways:
https://www.guitarfromspain.com/en/4...amenco-guitars

This one doesn't have electronics:
https://www.guitarfromspain.com/en/f...co-guitar.html
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:29 AM
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There are more options. For example, you could try Cordoba's GK Pro Negra, for example, which has a 50mm nut, and a cutaway. Electronics if you want them.

Classical guitars are set up to have high action so all buzz is avoided and a large dynamical range is available. Flamenco guitars are set up to have lower action (like crossovers also). I have mine at 2.9mm to 3.5 mm.

Here are some more flamenco guitars with cutaways:
https://www.guitarfromspain.com/en/4...amenco-guitars

This one doesn't have electronics:
https://www.guitarfromspain.com/en/f...co-guitar.html
The GK pro looks very beautiful!! But seems it have a thinner body, I'm wondering if i should I get the one with the thickest body to get a more warm tone.
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:34 AM
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The GK pro looks very beautiful!! But seems it have a thinner body, I'm wondering if i should I get the one with the thickest body to get a more warm tone.
Hmmm, you mean the depth of the body. Coming from steel strings everything should sound warm to you, but if you do indeed want the warmest of the warm and the smoothest of the smooth, then a classical with a cedar top would fit your bill. You could get someone to lower the action to improve the play-ability.

A flamenco guitar with rosewood back and sides (a negra), can be quite warm, especially with the correct choice of strings. The smaller depth of flamenco guitars is supposed to give a bit more attack maybe more brightness, but then it all depends on the individual guitar.

There are also a few people on the forum with cordoba guitars that could help you. A few have the GK Pro Negra.

By the way, here's a link to classicals with a cutaway: https://www.guitarfromspain.com/en/2...ssical-guitars
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Old 08-30-2019, 05:29 PM
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I just bought a Kenny Hill New World "Player" model off reverb. It has a cutaway. 2.05" nut. It doesn't have the playability of a steel though, it's MUCH easier to play than a steel string guitar. To tell you the truth I think my Cordoba Fusion sounds a little better (slightly louder - maybe because it doesn't have a cutaway) but I wanted the wider neck and the cutaway for ease of play.

Other options: Cordoba C7-CE, Orchestra CE (48mm nut) or Maple/Rose series. Cordoba has a lot of options. To compare specs, go here:

http://cordobamusicgroup.com/datasha...nsert_2017.pdf

You can also send them an email of what you're looking for and they will respond back to you - good support crew. I really like Cordoba (my "Player" model is essentially a Cordoba also).

hope that helps.
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