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I've been using 4 mics for many things lately, a spaced pair, which I pan hard left and right (actually in Logic, with stereo tracks, I have no real option there - each mic goes to a side and that's it....). The other pair is set up as MS and is in the middle. That gives me the option of blending them to taste, including using it as a mono middle mic if I hear a "hole". But mostly, I'm pretty happy with the sound of the spaced mics.
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SD, how did you determine the exact right placement for the pairs? My question goes to the point that each mic and instrument has an area that's optimal and that's fairly subjective. Inches count. Would the Schoeps have sounded less punchy or carved if they were where either of the other two pairs we positioned? We can't say because they weren't in exactly the same place, and who's to say the best place would have been where either of the other two mics were...or somewhere in between. The devil is in the details.
I've worried over this point for years. If I position the mics where I want them and play three times, then my playing is the obvious variant. If I play once and position more than one pair, then their position is the variant. Regards, Ty Ford |
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Sdelsolray,
How different is the M295 from the M300? Sorry for the vague question. I am not sure how else to ask it.
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The M300 costs about $950. The M295 costs about $1600. That's a pretty big difference. The M295 is a little more open and airy sounding and is easier to position for a good sound (less proximity effect for one thing). I have made many recordings on both mikes and prefer using the M295s but both mikes are excellent. In your hands YMMV.
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Thanks Rick.
You mind so much sharing some of your clips so I can hear the difference between the two mics?
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I uploaded the 6 source files to the same location. They are in a folder called Samples A, B and C Source Files. They are raw except I left the front and rear fades in place and left the 60Hz bass cut in place. 24 bit/44.1k. The files with "12th fret" added to the titles are the right channels and the files with "LB" added (short for lower bout) to the titles are the left channels. The levels are not matched as closely as the first uploads. As much as I like the spaced pair configuration, I've never been able to find mic positions that give a realistic stereo image if panned 100% left and right. I guess I just prefer a more mono-like image with a bit of stereo widening. That's what I hear when I listen to a live player. That's a Waves Doubler 4 modulator effects plug-in, used very tamely and sparingly. |
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I could have put the mics in different relative places, but that would be a subjective choice. In addition the mic that is furthest away would have two mics in front of it acting as barriers/reflectors. So, in a way, even though the mics are in the same place (almost), the mic positioning is the variant here (along with the different preamps used). |
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Rick answered your question. He has pairs of each and knows them well.
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All my Show and Tell posts over the last year and a half were via M295s. My recordings on Guit Sense (on my website were via M300s) One of my better M300 recordings, this particular clip came out open and airy (guitar used, song style, etc). Note: also a wav file which makes a bit difference. http://dcoombsguitar.com/Guitar%20Music/Rebecca.wav Couple of M295 recordings: http://dcoombsguitar.com/Guitar%20Music/Felicity.mp3 http://dcoombsguitar.com/Guitar%20Music/SustainMe.mp3
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They all sound exceptional. I wish I could sound like these. Obviously, the player has got a lot to do with these tones but very nice mics indeed. Was the M300 recorded in a pro sound booth?
Thanks again Rick. Sdelsol, Can't access your clips here at work so I will give them a listen when I get home. Thanks both.
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Double wow! Maybe there is hope for my recordings!
What type of room/sound treatment do you have?
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my earlier recordings were in an untreated room.
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Thanks, this may just be a matter of taste. I much prefer the unpanned sound of your raw files. More open and airy, more natural to my ear. The panned files sound narrow and constricted in comparison. But that's probably just me. I like a big sound. You do have a bit of a hole in the middle, just looking at it in some visualization tools, both your phase and stereo image looks quite different than mine, with a clear hole in the middle in yours that isn't there in mine, but then I think our "spaced" setup is slightly different.
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