So sick of tuning up !! Are you ?

[MarkinLA]

Hi..
It really hit home last night how many times I had to re-tune either within a piece or between pieces....Over say an hour, it must have been 11 times !!
This is the big diff between guitar and nearly every other instrument !! Even violinists, once in tune only deal with the tiny fine-tuners and can be done in a flash while in a piece's rests, non stop.. (Yes, we can too at times !) Even the big harp in the orchestra do we but never see them tuning (a sideways piano with no outer body or keyed hammers; a plucked 'gut' stinger, same as we !)..
This is a Cordoba C10, cedar top..and has a newer set of titanium medium tensions (< make to remain anon for now) and which maybe WHY Cordoba DOES insist on staying Sav HT Corums !! [my instant personal theory as to cedar perhaps needing the HT to make up for its looser than spruce, molecules].

I know the correct way to change/tie strings. The room temp is not climate-controlled but it certainly is not cold or sweltering during my sessions...
Do you see anything wrong with what I'm doing ? Do you go thru the same thing ? Is it the cedar top which perhaps expands and contracts more than say, spruce ?
That G string going sharp !! The D dropping. The B this, the A, that !! Start the tuner. Stop the tuner..Pluck this; compare it to that. Did someone say trussrod ? ! Is it the make and cost of the guitar ?
Does/can a $20,000.00 Hauser do the same thing ?
What is your experience or advice ? Thanks, M

[Ruppster]

I used to have the issue playing outdoors in the summer in the Mississippi humidity. Got an Emerald X20 in May, have played several outdoor gigs and rarely have to tune, even in the sweltering heat and humidity. Just get an Emerald!

[rick-slo]

I never had that problem. That model of guitar seem decent enough. If it is continually going flat than use more strings winds and loops when putting on new strings.

[Tahitijack]

My Taylors stay in tune under most conditions. I am careful changing strings and stretching them. The other guitar player in our band is a Martin guy and he admitted he seems to have to retune excessively.

Footnote to this is Hawaiian slack key players are the kings of tuning. Some even tune as they play a song. Old joke among slackers is we tune for 5 minutes to play a 2 minute song.

[MarkinLA]

GUYS !!! S T O P POSTING !! WAIT FOR MY NEXT POST ! !

[JonnyBGood]

Only times I've had crazy unstable tuning with a nylon strung is in hot weather playing outdoors in the sunshine at wedding gigs and similar functions, where I'd be tuning after every number. If that's not the situation It's not your guitar or its top, either your strings are a duff set or you are getting slippage someehere due to incorrect stringing.

[MarkinLA]

GUYS AND GALS, PLEASE RE-READ MY OP NOW.. YOU POSTED BEFORE I WAS FINISHED WHICH WAS MY FAULT FOR HITTING 'POST' WHILST EDITING; FOR THIS UNVAILS THE OP TOO SOON.....
THANKS, M

[MarkinLA]

Gottcha Jon !! Good technical reply... Thanks..Do please re-read my OP, though..

[MarkinLA]

~~~~~ I welcome further thoughts ~~~~~~~~

[rick-slo]

Your first classical guitar? Have other classical guitars you string up that don't go out of tune so much?

[MarkinLA]

OK gang, here's another one :
Please describe or post the exact correct way to wind/tie strings...Which YouTube is Kosher-est ?

I roll least amount of string as possible, maybe 1-3 winds, if any, on the barrels before knot. The hi and lo Es go to the outside of the wind (or peg side of)...
At bridge, common number of twists per string; treb e b g = 4 4 3 / Bass E A D = 1 2 3 or 2 3 4 twists before knots...

Correct dip in fingerboard as per string tension/truss rod tension..Little-no upper fret buzzes (due to that heel-mound that sometimes appears after years/not on mine [yet].
Nut slots are shallow, but used to it...could be deeper but would need a real set up it's never had/needed..But would like.... M

PS...Tuckered out...Will try to reply tomorrow... It's summer.........M

[Bax Burgess]

The #3 going sharp? Do you tune down or up to pitch? I've found some (can't remember which) Aquila strings to be very stretchy at first, but once they set, they stay put. And another thing to consider, you seem impatient.

[Mikesr1963]

I've got a number of different types of guitars; one of them is a nylon string guitar. While I'm not tuning before finishing a tune it does need to be tuned more than any other guitar I own when I'm playing it.

[MThomson]

Nylon strings take way longer to bed in than steel strings as there is more stretch in the material. I tend to tune up a half tone or sometimes even a tone in the first couple of days after a restring until it settles a bit. Basses settle first and trebles can take weeks depending on how much I'm playing. Even after that, they still need more tuning than my steel string does.

[MoePorter]

MThomson Nylon strings take way longer to bed in than steel strings as there is more stretch in the material. I tend to tune up a half tone or sometimes even a tone in the first couple of days after a restring until it settles a bit. Basses settle first and trebles can take weeks depending on how much I'm playing. Even after that, they still need more tuning than my steel string does.

This...

It's the nature of the beast...some of my classicals are sublimely sensitive instruments that just demand lots of attention...but if they got the sound...whatta you going do? My lightly built classicals need tuning the most but it's worth it. Simple clip on tuners make it a non-issue for me...