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I know! but I can't cram any more into that space... :-)
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As a thought experiment, I wonder how we would value the AT4050 if it had been made in the 50s, manufactured in the hundreds instead of the thousands, and used on some iconic recordings with some iconic artists. People pay five figures for vintage Neumanns even though the components have aged far beyond spec and no two of the mics sound the same or remotely like they did when they were new and used on those iconic recordings. The AT4050 is quiet, clean, flexible, and consistent. The fact that it's reasonable in price shouldn't be a negative (grin). Fran
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I agree with Fran to not get carried away about what microphone to use. Some mikes I would not use but for the most part there are many mikes in most price ranges that will give excellent results. Also, it's not just the mike, but how you use it, etc..
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After the fact the music director & I were going through the takes and he turned to me to say "I really don't feel like we lost anything going to the other mics". Now, that soundtrack has been heard by probably millions of people and not a single person had commented that the first 2 cues sound different than the rest. The lesson is: price is not the defining factor...the sound is.
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Fran and Rick have valid points...
However, What I have noticed is some mics make more of a difference on certain players and their styles. And some people say, it is all in the player and not the mic or the guitar. That argument, it is the player, the user, and not the equipment, is an age old debate. Having been involved in several sports, and art based endeavors such as music, Traditional Archery, Photography throughout my life, and having known a reasonable amount of notable people in their fields...I can safely say that equipment always matters to all of them. True Some can still perform better than the average individual(and certainly myself) with most any equipment. But to Win, that is a different story. Winning always involves a preferred equipment. Bottom line, yes, maybe for the majority of people it will not make a hill of beans difference. But for some, and their styles of playing...it can make All the Difference. Just like a certain body shape, wood species, or a certain luthier, can make all the difference between average and above average. Since I am not a great player, I look for that magic guitar and mic that will let me shine through. In Reality, Maybe I should spend more time trying to be a better player, than trying to find that magic mic? haha...so True. So why don't I then? Cause I also enjoy the search. |
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If I had to choose, I'd get a great pre and a good mic. Not saying a great mic through a great pre isn't a thing of beauty...just if you have to choose.
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Converters are definitely important. Would you consider a new interface with really nice preamps? If so, check out the Audient iD22 (around $500) or iD14 (around $300) as a budget friendly, but still high quality preamp/interface. They actually use the same preamps in these interfaces that go into their $20k console.
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Glad this demo is prompting so much discussion. I once ask Pete Huttlinger for some advice on recording. I was expecting something concrete, like "buy these mics" or something. But he came back with "everything matters" :-) Totally true, tho I think it ignores that some things matter more than others. It's all relative, and there's sort of a Maslow's hierarchy. If you have a terrible preamp, or converters, or mics, then getting a better one will make an immense difference. But at some point, the differences get small. Doesn't mean you shouldn't focus on on each detail and try to improve them, but there is a diminishing return, and if some other larger factor is missing, a small improvement may not matter.
One interesting example is in these mic samples - the Gefell's and Schoeps are going thru a pretty solid preamp - the Apogee Ensemble, but the other mics are going thru much "better" preamps, and I doubt you can call out the contribution of those preamps separate from the mics, even tho they should be significantly better, at least just based on price. So do the preamps matter the most, or are they trumped by mics and mic placement? For what it's worth, my experience is that of the recording chain aspect, what matters most is the room acoustics and mic placement. Everything else is minor in comparison, even tho there are differences.
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This really appeals to my old school way of doing things. In the days when we always inserted a compressor before the Tape. Very, very appealing feature for myself. As this is not possible with most other interfaces. However, the one thing that holds me back on the Audient is that some claim the Audient converters are not up to par with some of the newer interfaces such as Antelope Audio Discrete 4.While with the Antelope you can not insert hard wired compressors..I believe it has the unique ability to insert a plug in compressor before DAW. Yet I like the Audient's simplicity and individual controls and where the Antelope is one knob for everything. Out of curiosity, has any of you experimented with Tube preamps? Does anyone feel that Tube preamps offer something more with acoustic guitars. |
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I need to go back and listen to Michaels Watts very recent video, How I record..but he does address that he has tried out other "Sexy microphones" ( I believe those were his terms) and yet he comes back to the Gefells. And wow...it is pretty hard to deny his result...it sounds so very good. This leads me right back to the possible theory that those mics are the best mics for his Guitar Tone, and his dynamic playing style. For others the chain might be different. For Doug, I do like the Sound of the Schoeps better in this Comparison test he made. Yet...his stereo AT4050 sure has some real smoothness as well. No complaints there. |
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It's pursuit will lead one astray and foster dissatisfaction.
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I used to have a tube preamp, UAD something or other. It was dual topology, so I could switch between solid state, tube, or even blend them. I never really got a sound out of the tube side that was anything special, or even all that different. But that's a sample of 1, its hard to avoid believing in the tube mystique. Maybe... (The Brauner's are tube mics, tho)
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I think I forgot to mention the Gefell M296 omni with nickel membrane.
Pretty amazing sound on guitar and vocal from that puppy. Regards, Ty Ford |