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Old 01-02-2004, 12:32 AM
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Mapletrees

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and very wise


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Old 01-02-2004, 02:16 AM
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thanks alot mapletrees...now i understand..so u actually can use the 13ths as sub or passings chords...

How about augmented or 11th chords?

Can i find these infomation from the net, like the explaination of how to use passing chords and substitution for chords and give examples by chord progressions? i mean in simple layman explaination like what mapletrees did?
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Old 01-02-2004, 10:50 AM
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ANY progression in D A D F# A D (open D tuning) in the first and second positions. Mood? Very mellow. I can go to sleep playin' that stuff. Hey. . . . .that's why my supper guests always yawn when I get my guitar out.
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Old 01-02-2004, 08:02 PM
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elizabethtaylorandmichaeljacksonfreakmeoutman,

possible suggestions...

try and find a book called something like

Jazz Guitar Chord Bible Complete by Warren Nunes...I think you want the word "complete" in there....long ago I had earlier versions of the books...it used to be two books...I think...people steal my stuff...I think....but sometimes I freak out...I believe that book always shows chords in the context of useful progressions....and often without root notes so your fingers are freed up...I hope I'm pointing you to the right book....

if you did a Google search looking for that book I'm sure you'd come to other books like it....

you might also want to go to www.melbay.com

and click on 'products by category'

click on 'guitar'

click on 'jazz'

and click on 'chords'...

their site lets you see table of contents and a sample page or two....

there's always www.guitarworkshop.com , too...

the internet is free....but not always the best value....
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:39 AM
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sadly i lived in singapore and its quite difficult to get the Melbay books...but we do find some other books here...recently bought "Jazz Guitar" by Larry Coryellby Backbeat books..

anyway, anymore interesting Jazz progressions?
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:44 AM
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Thanks Semolina,

I had not even thought about "Hey Joe" in about 30 years!!!! (((that tells you how old I am))))

Played and sang it last nite til waaaaayyyyyy too early in the morning too....great song, great suggestion!

Off to jam with the boys (and girl).....

Happy New Year!

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"Hey Joe" is a total classic:

C...G...D...A... then really arrive on E and mess around down there as long as you want.

Repeat as necessary
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Old 01-05-2004, 09:20 AM
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How about augmented
are you figuring these out yet?

augmented triad is root, major 3rd, and raised 5th...

let's suppose we're in the key of C...

you know that I = Cmaj triad/chord = the notes C E G

you also know that the IV = Fmaj = F A C

C augmented would be the notes C, E, and G#

you can use the augmented triad to link I to IV

and then you can note a curious property about augmented chords to find other movements....

....and there's also a useful relation between augmented and min(maj7) chords...

con't...hang on a second....
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Old 01-05-2004, 09:34 AM
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here's the basic C triad

x320xx that's C, E, G low to high

here's the Caugmented triad

x321xx that's C, E, G# low to high...and yes it is dissonant

you could extend that aug triad into a more full 4-note chord just by adding the next highest C to get

x3211x that's a Caug chord

instead of just playing this progression

plain ol' Cmaj for 4 beats

plain old Fmaj for 4 beats

and then back to Cmaj

try instead

Cmaj for 2 beat

then

Caug for 2 beats

then

Fmaj for 2 beats

then

Fmin for 2 beats...

then back to C


by the way those chords sound very good in the tune Then Your Heart is Full of Love by Mister Rogers...a favorite tune of mine...(he had a degree in music composition and his tunes feature very jazzy chord changes in general)...

C x3201x - just like

Caug x3211x - o-ver

F/C x3321x - flow

Fmin/C x3311 - ing

the augmented chord has a weird dissonance that helps give an emotional 'push'....he uses it in his tune Peace and Quiet also...

well, what about the curious feature of augmented chords....?

and bass lines, too...

con't....
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Old 01-05-2004, 09:42 AM
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Im trying it now..sounds good and wierd..
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Im trying it now..sounds good and wierd..
cheem ah.....
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Old 01-05-2004, 09:55 AM
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well,

in short, augmented chords have a structure that makes them repeat every major third


remember,

Caug = C, E, G#

note that the interval from C to E is a major 3rd

also note that the interval from E to G# is a major third...

also note that the interval from G# to the next highest C is a major 3rd...

reason out that what I just typed out above means that any of the notes in the Caug chord could serve as the root note...

that's to say that Caug = Eaug = G#aug

gotta love symmetry...

look at it on the fretboard...

let's take the C augmented chord as

x3211x (which is the notes C, E, G#, C low to high)

and slide it up the neck a major third to

x7655x....it's now Eaug (thinking of it as a movable chord form with no open strings...) and sure enough the notes in this chord are

E, G#, C, and E low to high...(same notes as Caug)


you could slide that E aug chord another major 3rd to get

x 11 10 9 9 x which is Gaug (edit: that should read G#aug...sorry about that...) and which is the notes

G#, C, E, and G# low to high....


again, Caug = Eaug = G#aug...

now, if you think about getting basslines moving about...

C - x3201x just like

G#aug 4x211x o-ver

A min x0221x (or some other version) flow-

Fmin6/Ab 4x353x

which can walk the bass down to a C/G now instead of just a C before the big finish....


gotta run...

time for Mister R...

the day you think you've outgrown what he teaches is the day you officially have gotten so smart that you've gotten stupid...










con't...
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Old 01-05-2004, 10:08 AM
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Wow...haha...have learnt so much from you..thanks mapletrees...im now trying to build my own passing chords using the format u use...using similar descending or ascending triads...

Do post somemore stuff similar to this!
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Old 01-07-2004, 08:13 AM
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taylorfreak,

I really don't think I'm a wow-zer.....

don't really know as much as you might think I do...

too opinionated....

and often wrong

that's not a good combination!


did you find....

trying to connect chords with as little hand movement as possible will help you learn the fretboard....

C/E as x7555

Eaug as x7655x

Amin/E as x7755x

Fmin6/D as x5656x

then back to a C of some sort...maybe as

8755xx or 87555x

remember, the original chords were just C to F to C....a litttle theory and a bunch of fiddling around is the way to go...(opinion)

not bunches of theory with little fiddling and application....(again, opinion)

learn something and IMMEDIATELY try to take it to the fretboard...the more ways the better...

con't
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Old 01-07-2004, 09:52 PM
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Quote:
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C/E as x7555

Eaug as x7655x

Amin/E as x7755x

Fmin6/D as x5656x

ive tried it, realised the 1st 3 chords have ascending notes from G to G# to A, then back to G# ?!?! then reslove back to a G.

Y not a A# note on that Fmin6/D chord? and of cos the whole chord will be changed too!

please let me know what u think...
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x32010
x32000
x32310
133211

Thank George Harrison for that one, gotta love it. Play slowly and enjoy.
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