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A 12 fret dreadnought built today would unlikely be more than a curiosity. The epitome of a modern dreadnought is the D18/D28, which is very different to a J45.
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…all Martin D guitars whether 12 or 14 frets are Dreadnoughts….the same goes for all copies of them by other companies….
….all Gibson J’s are Jumbos…the same goes for all the copies by other companies…. …this because back in the early 1930’s Martin named their largest bodied flat top acoustics Dreadnoughts and Gibson named theirs Jumbos… …is there any more to it than that?….I don’t think so…
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And it matters because.....
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I consider it a dread because of its size and shape. Like a dread, the curve between the upper and lower bouts is not deep like that of the J200. For me, a jumbo has that deep waist.
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Ahhh!!!! So the 14 fret ones are actually "cruisers" not "dreadnaughts".
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Because this is the acoustic guitar forum…..
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Still don't understand why it matters what you call it.
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So yes, a J45 is a Dreadnought, but not all Dreadnoughts are J45s. |
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You’ve done it now!
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Quote:
Customer: “I’d like a Coke.” Salesperson: “I’m sorry, we don’t serve Coke—we have Pepsi. Would you like a Pepsi?” Customer: “You mean that sicky-sweet Coke? Ok.” Imagine a similar conversation at a music store in the late 1930s, before every big guitar was called a dreadnought: Customer: “I’m looking to buy a dreadnought.” Salesperson: “I’m sorry, we’re not a Martin dealer—we’re a Gibson dealer. Would you like a Jumbo?” Customer: “You mean one of those slope-shouldered dreadnoughts? Ok.” |
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The answer is already here. Martin came up with the name dreadnaught and Gibson answered with the Jumbo. The Jumbo however is almost equally thick from the tail to the waist. The J-35/45 are more shallow in the upper bout. Martin also has a Jumbo shape but it’s basically a deep body OM shape - 1” larger all around and dreadnaught depth. J-35/45s have been referred to as slope shoulder dreads for as long as I’ve been alive. That’s good enough for me. So the answer for me is, "yes".
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Apart from the slope-shoulder design, a J45 is 16-16.125" at the lower bout, and usually a touch deeper (at least my SJ is). The Martin dread is 15 5/8" - that is far smaller than the differences we see and discuss in other body styles all the time on this forum.
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We talk about it because it's interesting, not because it 'matters' in some functional way.
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Again, throughout the 1930s into the early-1940s Gibson's catalogs did not list models solely by the "J" designation. Jumbo was incorporated into the model name. So you will not find listings for say a J35 or J55. What you will see in big bold letters is guitars listed as the Jumbo "35" and Jumbo "55". While the J45 does not appear in the 1942 catalog the earliest post-WWII catalog listing the model I know of dates to 1947 and here it is listed simply as the J45 with Jumbos appearing at the top of the page to describe the entire line.
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