The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Acoustic Amplification

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 05-21-2024, 06:43 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 234
Default Modifying Princeton Reverb for acoustic?

Odd topic -- I know. Anyway I have a Princeton Reverb reissue ('65 or something) that I got for electric guitar.
I no longer have the slightest desire to play amped electric although sometimes I play clean electric because it's easier on the hands. Anyway, no need for this monster amp! I could cause hearing damage in a minute if turned up. It's scary, actually.
Sell it? No. Where I live, no one is interested in an item like this secondhand as it is a luxury item, and anyone who wants one and can buy one will buy new, and believe me I've tried. Also people think it might be fake (it isn't, bought at an authorized dealer but lost the receipt) so if they did offer they'd want me to price it like a fake.
So, is there some way to modify the speaker to make it more like a super-powerful acoustic guitar amp? I have an AER amp (beautiful sound) but it could double. Or maybe a way to make it into an acoustic+vocal amp?
I suppose you could say that I want to convert it to a PA. Right now the sound is not bad for an acoustic guitar but it is a little harsh as you might imagine. The AER is sweeter. Not as loud. But better.
I know this is a weird topic, but I don't know anything about amps and thought the many unbelievably knowledge members of this forum might have some ideas.
__________________
  • 2023 Macbook Pro M2 (2TB), UAD Apollo, Flow 8, AER Compact 60
  • Electric and acoustic
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-21-2024, 07:23 AM
abn556 abn556 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Location: Kingwood, TX
Posts: 1,707
Default

Does your Princeton have the 10” speaker or the 12”. If its the 10” speaker, you can upgrade to a Jenson 12” speaker that has more clean headroom than the 10”. Your amp is pretty clean until about 3.5 on the volume.

Keep in mind the voicing on these amps is EQ’d to the treble side and they are quite bright. I run my Limited Edition PRRI with the bass on 8 and the treble on 2.

Tubes amps can only stay crystal clear to a certain volume point.
__________________
Gibson J-45 Koa
Gibson LG-0
Larrivee OM-40R
Martin D-41
Martin 000-18
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-21-2024, 08:17 AM
Jim Owen's Avatar
Jim Owen Jim Owen is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Wilkes County NC and Columbus Georgia
Posts: 7,859
Default

Abn is spot on here, Bookstore. A 12 will just fit in the Princeton cabinet.

I’ve never used a Princeton for acoustic guitar or vocals, though. There isn’t a lot of clean headroom (which is why I loved them for electric).

For your purposes, though, I’d start by swapping out the 10.
__________________
Peace,
Jimmy

Optima dies, prima fugit
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-21-2024, 09:29 AM
leew3 leew3 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,041
Default

+1 for swapping the 10 for a 12. I did this in my ancient 'monsterized' (added master volume, low impedance line out and a 12' speaker) Princeton back in the late 70's and it was a good choice.
__________________
"I go for a lotta things that's a little too strong" J.L. Hooker
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-21-2024, 11:01 AM
Lefty MacGuffin Lefty MacGuffin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 25
Default

Fender tube amps have a fairly flat frequency response with the treble and bass controls turned all the way down and the mids all the way up. The mids on a Princeton Reverb are fixed at about a 7-8 so close enough. There won’t be much above 4-5k hertz and it will be quiet but worth a try I would think.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-21-2024, 11:19 AM
rmp rmp is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,008
Default

is that really a '65? Man, if it is, I would not modify that at all.

any thoughts in looking at something like the fender acoustasonic JR as your acoustic amp
__________________
Ray

Gibson SJ200
Taylor Grand Symphony
Taylor 514CE-NY
Taylor 814CE Deluxe V-Class
Guild F1512
Alvarez DY74 Snowflake ('78)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-21-2024, 11:24 AM
Goat Mick Goat Mick is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Bristol, TN
Posts: 6,655
Default

Honestly, I wouldn't mess with it. It's not going to sound like an acoustic guitar at all. I have heard some players running their acoustic through a really clean Deluxe Reverb and it sounded cool, but it didn't sound a thing like an acoustic guitar. Being a reissue, it doesn't have any vintage value but it is a really good and popular amp. I'd look into trading it for an acoustic amp or all-in-one PA like an Bose S1 Pro or an Electro Voice Everse 8.
__________________
'59 Gibson J-45 "Spot"
'21 Gibson LG-2 - 50's Reissue
'94 Taylor 710
'18 Martin 000-17E "Willie"
‘23 Taylor AD12e-SB
'22 Taylor GTe Blacktop
'15 Martin 000X1AE

https://pandora.app.link/ysqc6ey22hb

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-21-2024, 11:35 AM
PineMarten PineMarten is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Scotland
Posts: 483
Default

I have a homebuilt Princeton Reverb based amp that I quite enjoy acoustic instruments through. I think I wouldn't try and make it into anything it's not, but there are a couple of things you can do to increase headroom without internal mods - a more efficient, less peaky speaker than the Jensen, and a pair of JJ 6V6 should help a lot. A 12" is an option, but even a larger magnet, higher efficency 10" is an improvement if you want warm and clean - mine has an Eminence Copperhead.
__________________
Gibson G45 Standard 2020
Eastman E1OM 2021
Cedar/Rosewood Parlour 2003 (an early build by my luthier brother)
Also double bass, electric bass, cittern, mandolin...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-21-2024, 03:26 PM
jseth jseth is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oregon... "Heart of the Valley"...
Posts: 10,891
Default

Don't try to "Frankenstein" that Princeton Reverb!

Sell it (will be REALLY easy) and buy a second AER Compact, or the "slave" unit that AER offers and pair it with your Compact.

You already know that you love the AER - why mess with success?
__________________
"Home is where I hang my hat,
but home is so much more than that.
Home is where the ones
and the things I hold dear
are near...
And I always find my way back home."

"Home" (working title) J.S, Sherman
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-21-2024, 04:09 PM
Bowie Bowie is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,467
Default

For those who don't know, 65' is a name Fender used twice for modern Princeton amps.
That aside, I'd get an amp made for acoustics. I'm a serious Princeton fan and have owned a number of them. Nothing about them makes me feel they're great for an acoustic. The speaker change is a common thing but I wouldn't invest in a good speaker if the amp is not ideal for what you are after.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-22-2024, 07:42 AM
Bookstorecowboy Bookstorecowboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 234
Default

Thanks for the suggestions! It is a 12" speaker, the Celestion special.
I should try the trade -- that makes sense.
Hard to sell around here, but someone might trade.
__________________
  • 2023 Macbook Pro M2 (2TB), UAD Apollo, Flow 8, AER Compact 60
  • Electric and acoustic
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-22-2024, 08:46 AM
Brent Hahn Brent Hahn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 3,111
Default

FWIW, I've got a Princeton like OP's and it sounds great with my Baggs M80 magnetic. Not strictly "acoustic" sounding, but a really nice sound and I don't have to modify the way I play, even hard strumming sounds good. My Baggs HiFi is a more "acoustic" sound for me through most PA systems, but not as good as the mag through the Princeton. So there's that.
__________________
Originals

Couch Standards
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-22-2024, 06:21 PM
MarkF_48 MarkF_48 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 574
Default

The Princeton appears to have a jack for the speaker. Any thoughts about using a non-powered PA speaker? Granted a bit less 'portable', but would keep a classic amp in stock condition. Open back amps just don't seem to yield a decent 'acoustic' sound.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-23-2024, 06:52 AM
leew3 leew3 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,041
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rmp View Post
is that really a '65? Man, if it is, I would not modify that at all.

any thoughts in looking at something like the fender acoustasonic JR as your acoustic amp
I should add that if it is indeed a '65 this is the best advice. Mine was a '65 and after all the mods I did to it I sold it when I needed the $400. It went with my orange label Gibson 335 that I got $475 for at the time....yeah, I know now.
__________________
"I go for a lotta things that's a little too strong" J.L. Hooker
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-23-2024, 07:40 AM
rmp rmp is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,008
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookstorecowboy View Post
Thanks for the suggestions! It is a 12" speaker, the Celestion special.
I should try the trade -- that makes sense.
Hard to sell around here, but someone might trade.
you can always try a close by Guitar center, or local mom and pop store and see what you can work out.

Trades are usually not highly in favor of the buyer (aka you) but it gives you a quick out, and you leave the store with what you're seeking.
__________________
Ray

Gibson SJ200
Taylor Grand Symphony
Taylor 514CE-NY
Taylor 814CE Deluxe V-Class
Guild F1512
Alvarez DY74 Snowflake ('78)
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > Acoustic Amplification






All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=