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i love that a very interesting conversation has started on this thread!
of course, nobody intended to say that any company is better than other. not my intention at all! i just wanted to add some information the material on the picture of the Lucky is not really foam, nor the material that Alistair used for the dragon. Blackbird has evolved their construction technique a lot over the last 2 years and they are applying state of art technologies right now regarding the dragon guitar by Emerald: the mold was not made of foam. this guitar was a one-off, os maybe a mould wasn't really needed. being that, there is no sense to do a full aluminium mold for only one guitar (insanely expensive). originally Rainsong used "temporary" molds made of carbon fiber. the problem is that the molds didn't last more than 10-20 guitars. when you only do one guitar (or a few, but not thousands) you have some other material options. anyway, foam is not an option (there's no necessity to enter into a long chat about materials here) i can't say much more about CA and Rainsong as i have not been to their facilities, but (based on the pics i've seen) the technology is similar. I agree with you that Alistair is an absolute genius. His building process is a well kept secret and is completely different to anything done by the rest of the companies. as far as i've read or talked with him, i can tell you that he doesn't use any material that is dissolved or anything like that Joe Luttwak is a genius too. brilliant is not a word big enough to describe him and his work we are blessed that such talented (and hard working people!) are building guitars for us! Regarding the small number of guitars produced: i think that i has more to do with the size of the facilities than the technologies applied. as far as i know, Blackbird and Emerald don't intend to be huge companies with enormous production numbers. their only intention is to create the best guitars and they really put their hearts on that by the way, do you know how many guitars does Rainsong produce a year, Ted? (i'm just curious)
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Rainsong said I believe that they make less than 1000 guitars a year?
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Everyone knows you listen to YouTube videos with a grain of salt. Still, if you listen to many and if you can find those where guitars are compared side by side with the same equipment, even YouTube videos can be very useful for someone with no access to the guitars. I was just trying to help him get started, not trying to deceive. Sorry this made you defensive. BTW, even though he does use amplification when he performs (hopefully not a big surprise to anyone), I believe the guitar does have "some" role to play in the sound he produces. It's not all smoke and mirrors as the focus of your comment seems to imply. There are a Rainsong owners that have mostly abandoned wood guitars for a reason. And no, I do not own a Rainsong. I just wanted to be helpful. |
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The new technology in producing Carbon fiber guitars today is far from a laminate. Have you ever played a Rainsong, Emerald or Blackbird?
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Really can't see how laminate guitars can be compared to CF guitars, unless you're simply implying that they are inferior to solid wood guitars (which they're not). |
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To each their own..............
Wood sounds like wood and Carbon FIber sounds like Carbon Fiber, and that's based on the laws of physics and the acoustical properties of different materials. Carbob Fiber certainly has it's place, and some sound pretty good, but they don't sound like seasoned wood, they just don't. For weather considerations and durability they have a place no doubt. David Wilcox (seen him a bunch) can make anything sound good, and he has an extremely sophisticated amplification system with multi sources, Parasound used to do custom rigs for him. Seen him with carbon and seem him with wood, I'll take the Olson sound by a mile..............
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I still don't see how you can compare laminate construction to CF construction. Yes, both are alternatives to all wood guitars. However, the similarities pretty much end there. In most cases, laminates allow a guitar to be made cheaper. I doubt many people would suggest that CF is cheaper than wood. Other than cost, laminate construction has few advantages over all wood construction. CF construction, however, has many advantages (or else none of us would be buying them). As to whether these advantages outweigh the tradition and beauty of wood is a purely personal matter. |
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CF construction is about more than having a durable guitar that is virtually impervious to environmental issues. |
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It is a personal matter... none of the advantages have to do with how it sounds. It is all about how it is possible to be less careful with the guitar. It's possible to play them in the rain. To each their own, when it rains, I'm going inside. I am interested... I continue trying them. Ed |
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I actually think of my wood guitars as alternatives to my Carbon ones?
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Some people would argue this point with you. Some have grown to love the crystalline sound of some of the CF guitars to the point where they feel that wood guitars sound muffled and muddy. To them, they believe CF guitars actually sound better than wood. I’m not in that group of people, but my 6-string CF guitars are all made by CA, the lone CF manufacturer that tries to emulate the sound of wood guitars. I understand their point, though. And I think they would agree with your statement that it’s a “personal matter”. |
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I know you have a wonderful collection of Martins Rich and you are partial to the Martin tone, so do I and so am I, but in my opinion the Rainsong Jumbo just might be a better "tool" for David than the Olson. But as you said, to each his own. Happy new year everyone! |