Wow, didn't know this was such a responsive forum! Again, so nice being here!
Here is my attempt to mix the track! With this order, Noise Reduction, Hard Clipped the high volume peaks (meaning the kick and snare parts),
Normalized, EQed mostly the low frequency parts and Compressed using Reaper (great DAW indeed) !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTebTU_9fcY
This was 2 days ago, I think I'm getting the hang of it! Here is a little piece I made today, this time recorded with Compression
beforehand as I've seen it's easier having a balanced recording in the first place, at least for me!
Andromeda Unprocessed
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1o9...fxhu5088GbjKou
Andromeda Processed (Did everything above apart from compression since I did it before recording)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s1...aXlwyxTAvXnxXe
(EDIT: Now that I see it, I overclipped at 0:26 and you can hear some unwanted noise there)
Take a look and share your thoughts! I did not touch the high frequencies when EQing, only the lows. I don't really know what's going on in the higher ones!
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Originally Posted by Dirk_Z
Hi there,
there is only so much you can fix with mixing. It is better to get as close as possible to the sound you want in the recording stage.
My fast mix :-)
http://www.polyphon-recording.de/royals2.wav
Great playing by the way
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Thanks for taking your time to mix the track! ^_^ Well, that is an option and personal taste but what I would like is a little different!
Your mixing had a tone-shaping approach, I'm guessing you might have used some sort of amplification or high fx stuff.
What I would like is keeping the same quality with no change, play around with the EQs to give a nice touch to the bass notes,
kicks and snares which are the backbone of fingerstyle, and add some reverb at the end! Here is a final mix in my taste by Eiro
Nareth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH-PIsPtJuA
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Originally Posted by keith.rogers
Good advice so far. I'd add that I hear more room in that recording that is helpful, though if you add enough verb/delay in the mix it will mask some of it. So, I would do some more treatment in that room, or closer micing, probably with more than one mic (which would mean a new interface).
Microphones do not hear the way people do. As suggested, you should experiment a *lot* with microphone placement, as well as possibly temper your style to suit what you hear in the recording, e.g., the physical percussive parts are a bit loud to my ear.
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Yeah, room acoustics matter so much and the room I'm recording has no such standards! I will take my time to adjust it the following time!
The percussive stuff is always louder when recording, even compression can't take it off because it's such a sudden volume output peak!
When mixing, I clip them all the way down so they're more smooth along with the track! There's definitely a lot of experimentation with
mic placement, even a slight change is obvious.
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Originally Posted by KevWind
Some good advice so far
My thoughts:
Software: . No need to consider any additional mixing editing software other than Reaper it already has far more DAW capability than you will ever fully utilize.
Dry record : Yes and no.
Ideally you can get the recording you want through, playing technique, room treatment, mic placement, mic and preamp choice, (in that progressive order) and not have use and mixing processing in mixing .
But with the caveat that percussive style (I am assuming what you mean by "attack") you want to be aware that as you move the mic's closer and get more overall presence you increase the risk of those percussive transients creating (digital overs)
Which is why some professional recording engineers will sometimes opt for compression during recording for percussive guitar style. Just something to think about.
As noted there is a fair amount of room and self noise so seriously consider room treatment
Mixing:
Yes you can definitely enhance the dry recording with EQ and Comp FX when mixing.
To maintain and enhance the bass with EQ start with a High Pass filter and cut the low end 60 to 100 hz and below. And perhaps also a narrow Q,, 4 or 5 db cut, somewhere between 450 and 600 Hz
Experiment with a compressor set with a slow attack and medium or fast release and a touch of makeup gain (couple of db) Be aware this may also bring up the room/self noise so a noise gate or even third party noise suppression software like Izotope RX might be considered .
Also a touch of parallel reverb may get closer to the sound you are seeking Also consider an EQ before the parallel reverb, set with a high and low pass filters,,, the high set at 600Hz and the low at 8 kHz to 10kHz
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Thank you, will see this post next time I'm recording or mixing! As I mentioned above, I do use compression now when recording, mostly because
it sounds so much better hearing it after recording! It may or may not be the same thing, doing fx stuff in recording or mixing process but psychological
aspects or placebo effects have their place too.
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Originally Posted by ChuckS
Very good playing, and the recording seems quite nice for your initial work. Where was your mic positioned (how far from the guitar and where was it pointing to)?
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Well, I've seen many pieces of advice regarding this and all of them is the same! Point the mic to the place where fretboard and body meets (around 15th fret) and not at the sound hole!
What did work for me as far as distance is concerned, was having the mic 20-25cms further from the guitar! Experimented a lot with it and that's definitely where it sounds brighter!
I think everyone should experiment, things like mic, room, guitar do play a role in that and certain placements might not work so well for some people.
A final note, if anyone is looking for a cheap mic, the AKG P120 is hands on a great purchase for recording guitar! Eiro Nareth (he has the most awesome tone I've seen for acoustics)
uses two of those to record and I was astounded to see he has the best tone with a 100$ mic! But it's true, I may not know how to use it well, the result though is admirable, even with poor recording/mixing skills and a 300$ guitar.