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blue 04-14-2021 09:41 AM

The genius of Ken Parker's Fly design
 
Specifically the trem in this case. A 5 or so years ago, I was "done" with floating trems. So I set my Fly Deluxe up with the trem "decked", there is an internal mechanism for that, and I cranked up the spring tension.

My desire was to be able to bend the bar down, but to have a lot of resistance for double-stop bends to keep the other strings as much in tune as possible like a hardtail.

Well a couple days ago I got a hankering for some light "bigsby-esque" wiggles.

So with the trem decked, I tuned up, and started relaxing the spring. I switched into floating mode, and kept releasing tension until the 6th string it was in tune. I figured that would happen close to where the bridge was level/even with where the bridge was decked.

It was that simple. It was close enough to in tune across all the strings that all but the pickiest player would have played it on stage. At least for Rock:D

This may not sound significant if you've never had to deal with a floyd rose.

fazool 04-14-2021 09:56 AM

Just did a similar project on a floating trem.

It is a very big deal!

DavidE 04-14-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blue (Post 6690417)
Specifically the trem in this case. A 5 or so years ago, I was "done" with floating trems. So I set my Fly Deluxe up with the trem "decked", there is an internal mechanism for that, and I cranked up the spring tension.

My desire was to be able to bend the bar down, but to have a lot of resistance for double-stop bends to keep the other strings as much in tune as possible like a hardtail.

Well a couple days ago I got a hankering for some light "bigsby-esque" wiggles.

So with the trem decked, I tuned up, and started relaxing the spring. I switched into floating mode, and kept releasing tension until the 6th string it was in tune. I figured that would happen close to where the bridge was level/even with where the bridge was decked.

It was that simple. It was close enough to in tune across all the strings that all but the pickiest player would have played it on stage. At least for Rock:D

This may not sound significant if you've never had to deal with a floyd rose.

Just be careful as these springs have been known to break and they're expensive to replace if you can even find one. The Fly Clone Project is working on getting them produced again.

blue 04-14-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidE (Post 6690616)
Just be careful as these springs have been known to break and they're expensive to replace if you can even find one. The Fly Clone Project is working on getting them produced again.

No fear. I wasn't trying to run 11s on a 9 spring or anything like that. I've seen the pics where a spring erupted all Alien Chest-burster style out of a Fly!

I actually bought a spare 9 and 10 spring ages ago, and second trem arm. Unfortunately the backup trem arm is a modern round one, and not the hex arm.

I'm got supplies for the long haul for my fly. If I ever sell it, I'm sure the "extras" will raise the price.

rockabilly69 04-14-2021 02:57 PM

I use tremolo very sparsely but when I do I like it to float for the most musicality. That said, guitar tremolos have always bugged me. The Floyd Roses and Khalers, although very stable were always a pain to dial in, and aesthetically ugly in my opinion. Of the all the stratocaster tremolos, the one I like best is actually the G&L fulcrum trem which seems to hold tuning well, but on my G&L I have it decked, so only down trem on that one. But, lately, when needing, a total floater, I've been enjoying the offset trem on my Jaguar made by Halon parts out of Greece. It's a very precision machined tremolo. The thing always comes back in tune, and the arm can be tightened so there is no play. I love that. The bridge moves back and forth with the strings, as it rides on two knife edge points at the base of the bridge posts. Offset guitars get a bad rap because of a pretty big lack of info on the proper setup, but when dialed properly they are extremely musical...

https://i.imgur.com/bBLhWey.jpg

I use the tremolo so little that I'm far from an expert of the subject, but when I use it, I like to finish little phrases with it, like in this song @ 22 seconds in where I do it with a little chord and then a harmonic where I wanted the note to just waver slightly up and down...


blue 04-14-2021 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rockabilly69 (Post 6690689)
But, lately, when needing, a total floater, I've been enjoying the offset trem on my Jaguar made by Halon parts out of Greece. It's a very precision machined tremolo. The thing always comes back in tune, and the arm can be tightened so there is no play. I love that. The bridge moves back and forth with the strings, as it rides on two knife edge points at the base of the bridge posts. Offset guitars get a bad rap because of a pretty big lack of info on the proper setup, but when dialed properly they are extremely musical...

When I "retired" from Surf Gigs, I had an AVRI Jazzmaster and Jag and a MIM Classic Player Jag. The one with two humbuckers, a tuneomatic bridge, and where the rhythm circuit wheels actually roll off slowly between full humbucker, and split. I only kept the MIM Jag as it was crazy versatile, and I didn't want to be sitting on that much cash in the form of two guitars I didn't need.

Fender's Trem for the offsets are definitely my favorite! Even with the TOM bridge it works wonderfully.

rockabilly69 04-14-2021 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blue (Post 6690767)
When I "retired" from Surf Gigs, I had an AVRI Jazzmaster and Jag and a MIM Classic Player Jag. The one with two humbuckers, a tuneomatic bridge, and where the rhythm circuit wheels actually roll off slowly between full humbucker, and split. I only kept the MIM Jag as it was crazy versatile, and I didn't want to be sitting on that much cash in the form of two guitars I didn't need.

Fender's Trem for the offsets are definitely my favorite! Even with the TOM bridge it works wonderfully.

I like the idea of the rhythm wheels controlling how much of a split! That's a cool idea. And having a humbucker in the bridge position could really make a Jag more versatile!!! Mine has custom pickups with the bridge pickup being overwound to a little hotter than vintage spec @ 7K, fatter, but not humbucker fat.

And as for the offset trem, I was totally put off by it at first, but then I did some research and learned how to set it up properly. Now I couldn't imagine liking a trem more. I had a AVRI trem on it at first, which I got dialed in after working on the contact point of the hinge plate with a file and sandpaper. By the time I was done with it, it was SILENT, with no mechanical noise. Smooth as silk!!! The reason I went with the Halon Trem is that, I loved the bridge so much, that I had to try the trem, especially 'cause I could get the arm tension as tight as I wanted.

I just use trems lightly, surely nowhere like you would have used them in your surf band.

Funny thing, I love surf music, but have never played in a surf band. In my solo set, I play Sleepwalk, Pipeline, Walk Don't Run, etc, and I'm sure my versions pale in comparison to what you were doing with a full band, but they add to what I'm doing, and make the set more fun. I programmed my HX stomp for a good surf sound, with a Twin Reverb amp sim, and a trem and reverb. It splashes pretty good!

blue 04-14-2021 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rockabilly69 (Post 6690802)
I like the idea of the rhythm wheels controlling how much of a split! That's a cool idea. !

I have the schematic on my computer somewhere if you're interested!

rockabilly69 04-14-2021 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blue (Post 6690814)
I have the schematic on my computer somewhere if you're interested!

I don't have a Jaguar with humbuckers:)

blue 04-14-2021 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rockabilly69 (Post 6690874)
I don't have a Jaguar with humbuckers:)

gotta think outside the Jag... Set up a 4 pot dual humbucker guitar with master volume and tone and use the other 2 pots for Humbucker/split duty.;)

rockabilly69 04-14-2021 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blue (Post 6690962)
gotta think outside the Jag... Set up a 4 pot dual humbucker guitar with master volume and tone and use the other 2 pots for Humbucker/split duty.;)

Well if I ever get that itch, I'll know who to call :)

blue 04-15-2021 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidE (Post 6690616)
The Fly Clone Project.

By the way, thanks for posting this. It's an interesting site!


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