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Doug Young 01-23-2022 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeBmusic (Post 6914032)

If you pay for premium SC service (whatever they call it), people can download the same files (WAV?) you uploaded, if you don't pay for premium, they can only download the SC-compressed file.

Interesting. I don't have a premium account, but just downloaded the file from this same example from soundcloud. The downloaded file is 24 bit wav, and it NULLs with the original. Maybe because it's from my account? it'd be interesting to know if others get the same file when they download.

jim1960 01-23-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Young (Post 6914268)
Interesting. I don't have a premium account, but just downloaded the file from this same example from soundcloud. The downloaded file is 24 bit wav, and it NULLs with the original. Maybe because it's from my account? it'd be interesting to know if others get the same file when they download.

If you'd like, I can download the file and throw it in dropbox for you to grab. Just give me a link and your email address to set up the folder.

Doug Young 01-23-2022 02:18 PM

Great, just grab the file from this thread:

https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=637531

if it's 23.8M, it's probably the original.

jim1960 01-23-2022 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Young (Post 6914324)
Great, just grab the file from this thread:

https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=637531

if it's 23.8M, it's probably the original.

You should be able to grab the file here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g1wwcdd11w..._Lick.wav?dl=0

I used the email address from your website.

Doug Young 01-23-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jim1960 (Post 6914341)
You should be able to grab the file here:

Got it. What you downloaded is the full file, 44.1/24 and it NULLs against my original file. So I'm not sure you need to have a pro account to download full resolution.

jim1960 01-23-2022 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Young (Post 6914417)
Got it. What you downloaded is the full file, 44.1/24 and it NULLs against my original file. So I'm not sure you need to have a pro account to download full resolution.

So the difference lies in what is streamed, not the file as it sits on their site.

Rudy4 01-23-2022 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Young (Post 6914268)
Interesting. I don't have a premium account, but just downloaded the file from this same example from soundcloud. The downloaded file is 24 bit wav, and it NULLs with the original. Maybe because it's from my account? it'd be interesting to know if others get the same file when they download.

If the file you get back from Soundcloud truly nulls with the original shouldn't it be identical?

It seems like if it didn't precisely match the original then you'd hear some artifacts of the difference when you play back the two files with one inverted, rather than silence.

Doug Young 01-23-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy4 (Post 6914450)
If the file you get back from Soundcloud truly nulls with the original shouldn't it be identical?

It seems like if it didn't precisely match the original then you'd hear some artifacts of the difference when you play back the two files with one inverted, rather than silence.

The file that gets *downloaded* via the optional download feature is identical. It NULLs with the original. The one that is streamed - what you hear if you just click on play is the one I'm comparing in my original post. No way it would NULL, I didn't even try. It's obviously not the same audio, just from listening to it, but the analysis makes what's going on more visual.


What we're discussing now is whether someone who doesn't want to put up with the poor streamed sound can download the file (assuming the poster set it up to allow downloads) and get the full quality audio.

RodB 01-24-2022 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aimelie (Post 6913807)
Does anyone have an idea for an alternative? Is this why some people use YouTube?

Some time ago I did a comparison of Soundcloud and Youtube, together with an mp3 of the original that I upload to my own website. Both SC and Youtube were noticeably degraded, Youtube seemed worse than SC, but could have been affected by my video production to mp4 (audio 181 kbps / 48kHz).

Because I am not always wanting to bother with video I use SC more than Youtube, but for friends and family (and my AGF sig !) I maintain a website.

Brent Hahn 01-25-2022 10:48 AM

Doug -- when you stream and capture, what's the audio passing through on its way to whatever you're digitally capturing it with?

Doug Young 01-25-2022 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent Hahn (Post 6915656)
Doug -- when you stream and capture, what's the audio passing through on its way to whatever you're digitally capturing it with?

UA Apollo routing into Adobe Audition. Should be pristine, but I suppose it's worth checking against capturing an original copy the same way

ljguitar 01-25-2022 02:57 PM

HI all…

So is there an easy-to-upload, easy-to-access (and listen to on my phone) inexpensive alternative, or is SoundCloud it?

If I'm doing recordings and mostly they are for friends/family, or FaceBook (not downloadable for a price) I want simple (for listeners) and it sounds a cut above shooting a video with my phone's camera and mic.





Doug Young 01-25-2022 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ljguitar (Post 6915907)
HI all…

So is there an easy-to-upload, easy-to-access (and listen to on my phone) inexpensive alternative, or is SoundCloud it?

If I'm doing recordings and mostly they are for friends/family, or FaceBook (not downloadable for a price) I want simple (for listeners) and it sounds a cut above shooting a video with my phone's camera and mic.

Bandcamp can support streaming (tho likely just as low res) and can allow free downloads - just set the price to 0. Unfortunately, the interface still asks you to "buy" the track, even tho the price is 0. You Tube's another option, might actually be friendlier for listeners, tho more work for the artist - you can just have a "video" of a photo, or even a black screen. You could of course just post an audio file on your website, and people can just click to download and play, which is generally automatic. You can also set up your own streaming player, where you might have more control over the streaming quality. Of course these options won't work on facebook or here on AGF. Soundcloud and You Tube, or a link to click to download (which may be transparent, as the browser may present a player), like Rick-slo usually does, are the only AGF options as far as I know.

I'll get around to checking some of these other options (You Tube, BandCamp, Spotify) the same way. To me, You Tube sounds better than SoundCloud, at least when I upload HD or 4K videos. But others here have said You Tube sounds worse to them.

jim1960 01-25-2022 05:51 PM

The streaming industry is always in flux and that may be increasing in the near future with Apple moving to their Lossless Audio Codec and accepting music all the way up to 192/24.

ljguitar 01-26-2022 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Young (Post 6915962)
Bandcamp can support streaming (tho likely just as low res) and can allow free downloads - just set the price to 0. Unfortunately, the interface still asks you to "buy" the track, even tho the price is 0. You Tube's another option, might actually be friendlier for listeners, tho more work for the artist - you can just have a "video" of a photo, or even a black screen. You could of course just post an audio file on your website, and people can just click to download and play, which is generally automatic. You can also set up your own streaming player, where you might have more control over the streaming quality. Of course these options won't work on facebook or here on AGF. Soundcloud and You Tube, or a link to click to download (which may be transparent, as the browser may present a player), like Rick-slo usually does, are the only AGF options as far as I know.

I'll get around to checking some of these other options (You Tube, BandCamp, Spotify) the same way. To me, You Tube sounds better than SoundCloud, at least when I upload HD or 4K videos. But others here have said You Tube sounds worse to them.

Hi Doug…

Thank you.






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