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blue 11-06-2020 10:52 PM

Lets find the best all in one Surf pedal!
 
My birthday's coming up. Yes I've had a reverb tank for 20 years or so (reissue), but sometimes that's too much work with the lifting and carrying... I do have an ancient holy grail pedal for lazy times.

My tremolo pedal is a Carl Martin Trem-o-Vibe from the early 2000s. Good pedal but not without its flaws. One being it has its own plug. Can't power it with my pedal supply. Is there a one pedal solution?

So I'm looking for a pedal that does it all. So far my top contender is the Milkman F-stop. Seems like all one would need for SSI (Surf/Spy/Instro). Who's got a contender?


Willie_D 11-06-2020 11:53 PM

Have you looked at the EHX Oceans 11 or 12? The spring tank sound is really good.

Steel and wood 11-07-2020 04:43 AM

Love the video and the playing!

One of my favourite sounds!

M Sarad 11-07-2020 07:42 AM

I have the Boss '63 Fender reverb pedal. The tone is identical to the Fender Reverb unit from that period minus the sproing sound if you jar it. It is far superior to the Mojotone reverb tank in my Deluxe Reverb.

jklotz 11-07-2020 08:33 AM

I like where you are heading with this! You may want to check out a Strymon Flint. But that milkman sounds pretty good too. Strymon has more bells and whistles.

blue 11-07-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by M Sarad (Post 6544015)
I have the Boss '63 Fender reverb pedal. The tone is identical to the Fender Reverb unit from that period minus the sproing sound if you jar it. It is far superior to the Mojotone reverb tank in my Deluxe Reverb.

If you ever side by side it with a Boss RV-5 or RV-6, it almost makes you sad if you can't just buy a new Boss 63 Fender. One of my biggest "coulda-woulda-shoulda" failures to purchase... Too expensive on the used market for my tastes for a pedal with a lot of years on it. Plus no trem.

But yeah, as a stand in for a tank, it's hard to beat. I don't know if it CAN be beat.

blue 11-07-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie_D (Post 6543888)
Have you looked at the EHX Oceans 11 or 12? The spring tank sound is really good.

Yes I have. EHX is probably my favorite big company. The eleven would be a great choice if I didn't already have the holy grail. I'm too intimidated by the 12 to even look at it :eek:

It compares very favorably to the Boss FRV to my ear. Listening to demos between the two without looking at the screen, it's easy to lose track of which one is being played.

But really I'm looking for verb and trem all in one unit. But really I'm willing to go another $70 for a pedal with a trem function.

blue 11-07-2020 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jklotz (Post 6544062)
I like where you are heading with this! You may want to check out a Strymon Flint. But that milkman sounds pretty good too. Strymon has more bells and whistles.

Oooooooh... I could just scratch '80s off the enclosure and never get tired of switching between the other modes! I would like a little more "ice picky" sound than were present in the demos I just watched. But my tank is extremely ice picky and I've played it for 20 years so my ear is tuned to it. You line up ten Fender reissue tanks and you will be able to label each one as to whether it's more suited to lead or rhythm playing. There is a huge amount of variation.

It's now a real horse race! $50 more, but the tube/photo option on the trem is extremely cool! And it takes an expression pedal!

It's kind of like my Keeley Darkside in terms of one stop shop for a particular sound that I want. Maybe the race is over considering the expression pedal option.

Never looked at Strymon before. Thanks!

6L6 11-07-2020 12:19 PM

BOSS RV-3 Digital Delay/Reverb and a BOSS TR-2 pedal for Tremolo.

BoneDigger 11-10-2020 11:54 PM

I have one of these and it works pretty well for surf sounds...


BoneDigger 11-11-2020 12:00 AM

Double post

Bob Womack 11-11-2020 05:35 AM

So you guys want to knock the original surf pedal off its throne?

https://images.reverb.com/image/uplo...jd8gpgjtmg.jpg

https://images.reverb.com/image/uplo...edpvf67kdw.jpg

We are talking about the Shin Ei Companion Volume, Wah, Surf, Hurricane, Siren pedal from the early '70s. The Sears Roebuck Catalog declared it the king of surf. I actually had one.

Bob

blue 11-11-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Womack (Post 6546790)
So you guys want to knock the original surf pedal off its throne?


We are talking about the Shin Ei Companion Volume, Wah, Surf, Hurricane, Siren pedal from the early '70s. The Sears Roebuck Catalog declared it the king of surf. I actually had one.

Bob

What a beautiful, beautiful thing! I'm so thrilled that existed!

I don't know about you, but I no longer need to own things. Having owned and enjoyed them previously is more than enough. You are a lucky person in my book for having had it.

Off to youtube with fingers crossed to try and see a vid on this baby!

Rudy4 11-12-2020 09:54 AM

Don't you just look for a verb pedal with at least a 10 second tail? ;)

blue 11-12-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy4 (Post 6547897)
Don't you just look for a verb pedal with at least a 10 second tail? ;)

Except I want tremolo too! I'm working on a couple sub $200 options right now. I saw some demos of the J Rockett Mr. Moto (best name ever for a Surf Pedal!) and the Keeley Verb o Trem. I can demo the Keeley locally and could get a great deal on it.

One of those cases of not letting the perfect get in the way of the great. I want the Strymon at this point. But if can get everything I need for almost a third the price?

redir 11-12-2020 03:47 PM

That one in the OP video sounds about as good as it gets to me.

I would imagine the real original was a Gibson or Fender amp with tremolo/vibrato.

blue 11-12-2020 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by redir (Post 6548181)
That one in the OP video sounds about as good as it gets to me.

I would imagine the real original was a Gibson or Fender amp with tremolo/vibrato.

The "classic" sound we think of today was pretty much trademarked by Dick Dale. He got both prototype Showman amps and reverb tanks from Leo. He originally wanted the tank for vocals, but that changed quickly!

It's interesting on Shake and Stomp (1962) he kind of does the Link Wray thing where much like Link did with tremolo on rumble, Dick uses more and more intense reverb as the song goes on. And from the same album on Surf Beat it's cranked from the start.




redir 11-12-2020 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blue (Post 6548287)
The "classic" sound we think of today was pretty much trademarked by Dick Dale. He got both prototype Showman amps and reverb tanks from Leo. He originally wanted the tank for vocals, but that changed quickly!

It's interesting on Shake and Stomp (1962) he kind of does the Link Wray thing where much like Link did with tremolo on rumble, Dick uses more and more intense reverb as the song goes on. And from the same album on Surf Beat it's cranked from the start.




Yeah! A few months ago I read the book, 'The Birth of Loud' which was essentially about the creation and rise of the solid body electric guitar. A lot was dedicated to the relationship that Leo Fender had with Dick Dale. Really great read if you are into that stuff. Dale kept pushing Leo for louder and louder amplifiers becasue he was filling huge halls up with people and wanted to reach the back. Man those were the days!

blue 11-12-2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redir (Post 6548327)
Yeah! A few months ago I read the book, 'The Birth of Loud' which was essentially about the creation and rise of the solid body electric guitar. A lot was dedicated to the relationship that Leo Fender had with Dick Dale. Really great read if you are into that stuff. Dale kept pushing Leo for louder and louder amplifiers becasue he was filling huge halls up with people and wanted to reach the back. Man those were the days!

Dale was "licensed" by the authorities... Meanwhile "Rumble" by Link Wray was banned! Weird time... But yeah. If we had time travel, and were barred from changing the past, I'd probably go see Dick rock the Rendezvous Ballroom! More than any other great from the 60's or 70's. I've come close to buying his custom shop Strat more than once! :eek:

stevo58 11-13-2020 01:21 AM

Iím a real trem freak. Or I was; I havenít played much electric for the past couple years.

Iíve owned a bunch of reverb and trem pedals, including many mentioned here. I also built a Hoffman Revibe, which is a Fender Reverb unit with harmonic vibrato added.

What I ended up actually using night after night was the Flint. Harmonic vibrato, spring reverb, small, reliable, good to go. Well worth the money.

blue 11-13-2020 09:34 PM

Well, I decided to be fiscally responsible and get what I needed instead of what I wanted. Not really a fair statement as the Keeley Verb o Trem does way more than I needed. It has three modes Spring Reverb and Trem, Spring Reverb and pitch Vibrato, and lastly Plate Reverb and Harmonic Tremolo. I got to demo it before buying and got a killer deal too. It'll do Surf, but it'll also do Fender onboard Reverb amp with tremolo instro stuff like Los Straitjackets, or "other" stuff like Southern Culture on the Skids, which I play the heck out of. C'mon ya'll Firefly! Anybody? Firefly?

So I didn't get the BEST all in one Surf/Spy/Instro pedal. But I did identify it. It's the Flint. But I did get a killer pedal for one third the price that does more than I could have asked for. I'd have been happy with just the Spring Reverb and Trem mode.

Anyway here's a demo


redir 11-14-2020 07:21 PM

Keely is top notch. You did well ;)

BTW SCOTS is one of my fav bands ever :D

redir 01-16-2021 03:33 PM

So after this thread nagging me for a couple months now I bent over backwards and got one of those F-Stop pedals and man I'll tell ya this thing sounds fantastic!!!

I got one becasue my new Marshal 18 watt clone has not tremolo or reverb and I've been playing mostly through a Fender Twin for almost 30 years now. It definitely has a Twin vibe to it but it sounds so good I'd be tempted to even use it on my Twin instead of for what the Twin is famous for, :eek::eek::eek:


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