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Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 02:40 AM

Well I did some research and ended up buying an Epiphone Dobro Hound Dog. I found this video of Eric Clapton playing one.....just like the one I ordered.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocbYA50CJi4

I got it at zzsounds......

https://www.zzounds.com/item--DOBDWHOUNDLX

only problem is it is back ordered, so I don't know when I'll get it....

"UPDATE: It should be in at the end of the month per zzsounds."

Due to financing problems this order will be delayed for about two weeks anyhow.

rockabilly69 01-13-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 6603322)
Well I did some research and ended up buying an Epiphone Dobro Hound Dog. I found this video of Eric Clapton playing one.....just like the one I ordered.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocbYA50CJi4

I got it at zzsounds......

https://www.zzounds.com/item--DOBDWHOUNDLX

only problem is it is back ordered, so I don't know when I'll get it....

"UPDATE: It should be in at the end of the month per zzsounds."

Due to financing problems this order will be delayed for about two weeks anyhow.

I think the Epiphone reso is a good budget reso, but the one that Eric Clapton is a vintage 1930's Model 45 Dobro with a swapped neck that sounds nothing like the one you just bought. The construction is different (spruce top and ebony fingerboard on the vintage dobro)and the cone is QUITE a bit different, and the cone makes up most of the tone. The Epiphones are made to look like that, but trust me when I say the don't sound remotely alike. I've played more than enough of them to know that first hand.

Here's one like Eric Clapton is playing, but according to some people in the know his has a swapped neck... https://reverb.com/item/941505-dobro...-natural-1940s

Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 05:24 PM

here's a video of the exact one I ordered....good enough for me....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1vaayGDwqc

Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 05:29 PM

here's another I really like.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid...ature=youtu.be

Hoyt 01-13-2021 05:37 PM

Look at Beard Deco Phonics. These are American made, not like the Goldtone/Beard collaborations.

I never liked National necks for round neck playing, but the Beard Deco Phonic has a great neck and very smooth sound.

If you want to go really inexpensive, the Gretch Boxcar is a good choice.

rockabilly69 01-13-2021 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 6603837)
here's a video of the exact one I ordered....good enough for me....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1vaayGDwqc

yes that's what the ones I've heard sound like. As I said, a good budget reso.
For fun, you might what to check out some of these new thumb-picks for your reso. They are supposed to be very easy to use for people that don't normally use thumb picks, and you can get some good drive out of a reso with a pick.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/BlackMount...g_id=794487301

rockabilly69 01-13-2021 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoyt (Post 6603849)
Look at Beard Deco Phonics. These are American made, not like the Goldtone/Beard collaborations.

I never liked National necks for round neck playing, but the Beard Deco Phonic has a great neck and very smooth sound.

If you want to go really inexpensive, the Gretch Boxcar is a good choice.

Which National round necks have you played???

Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 06:32 PM

I've been practicing slide with my D-35.....I have a long way to go....

rockabilly69 01-13-2021 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 6603841)


That is a biscuit resonator, that is quite a bit of a different tone than the spider cone reso that you bought. Biscuit guitars have a quick attack and more punch, spider resos have better sustain and more present midrange. They both have their place, I like biscuit style better for blues, but sometimes spider cone models sound good for blues.

Here's me playing one of my blues songs with a spider cone National (Western Model D). Forgive my timid playing I literally wrote the song the morning that I recorded the show.


Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 08:06 PM

Good job, Very nice !!!

rockabilly69 01-13-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 6603991)
Good job, Very nice !!!

Thanks, if you like that sound, you should be able to get a similar sound with your spider cone!

Some open tunings to try for slide...

Open E from low to high E B E G# B E
Open D from low to high D A D F# A D
Open G from low to high D G D G B D

Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 08:33 PM

i've got DADFAD ----Dm on my D 35 right now, but thanks for the suggestions i'll try them all.

rockabilly69 01-13-2021 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 6604019)
i've got DADFAD ----Dm on my D 35 right now, but thanks for the suggestions i'll try them all.

The different tones that come from the different string tensions of the different tunings can be pretty inspiring:)

Yamaha Man 01-13-2021 11:41 PM

Yes I know, I've written lots of music using EBEEBE Tuning. That's one CSN uses a lot. I've read that the Rolling Stones use an open G tuning because Keith Richards has arthritis in his hands, and it's either that or nothing.

rockabilly69 01-14-2021 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 6604128)
Yes I know, I've written lots of music using EBEEBE Tuning. That's one CSN uses a lot. I've read that the Rolling Stones use an open G tuning because Keith Richards has arthritis in his hands, and it's either that or nothing.

That's not even remotely true about the arthritis and his G tunings, the real reason Keith uses G tunings is because, early on in his career, he was hanging with guys like Jesse Ed Davis, Taj Majal, and Ry Cooder who were using open tunings for slide, and Keith who was interested in the sound, started applying the tuning to new chord shapes as he was intrigued by the way the chords sounded with the repeating notes and the octave drones. And his G tuning is special as he only uses 5 strings GDGBD (low to high). That way he has the root note on top!



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