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THart 12-07-2021 09:15 PM

What does 12K get you?
 
I have a small body Weber Bitterrroot archtop, Sitka with Mahogany back & sides. Basically a no frills model which suits me just fine and it's a wonderfull guitar, way beyond my abilities really, but I can't help wondering what a red spruce over maple would sound like. Somehow to me, right or wrong, that seems like a quintessential combination. So I asked Bruce W what such a build from him would cost today. Well, maybe he doesn't build such a "basic" model now. His reply "$12,000 but the options are endless...The only thing that would take the price over $12,000 would be some elaborate inlay, pearl purfling, or varnish finish." So, just for comparison sake, what would 12K get you from other builders today?

Steve DeRosa 12-08-2021 08:33 AM

One of these:

https://www.mcampellone.com/the-cameo/

or these:

https://www.triggsguitars.com/archto...htbox=image3zq

or these:

http://benedettoguitars.com/guitars/...cana%e2%84%a2/

- and, in the first two cases, with money to spare... :cool:

Tnfiddler 12-08-2021 08:39 AM

What does 12K get you?
 
A Bourgeois Vintage D and a Collings D1!! If you get them used, money left over to spend on other stuff!! [emoji16]

Steve DeRosa 12-08-2021 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tnfiddler (Post 6874774)
A Bourgeois Vintage D and a Collings D1!!...

I think the OP is looking for an all-carved archtop...

kayakman 12-09-2021 07:40 AM

12K
 
Andrew Mowrey great builder,whatever you want.Triggs,Cunningham, Duff...

iim7V7IM7 12-09-2021 08:16 AM

Honestly, there are a number of choices but it really depends on your goals and use for the instrument. Will it be primarily used acoustically or plugged in? If plugged in, at lower volumes in a solo, duo or trio format or at higher volumes within a band. If it was my $12k I would reach out to John Buscarino and have a conversation about his Artisan Model.

https://buscarino.com/artisan

He can manipulate it to suit your goals.

THart 12-09-2021 08:36 AM

Great list of names to check out. I should have thought of Mowrey or other mandolin builders. I seem to be partial to them, currently owning two Webers and a Brentrup, though nothing near 12k. I'm getting into some pretty deep waters here. Over my head really but fun to look at.

dkstott 12-09-2021 02:26 PM

$12K gets you 6 or 7 really nice Eastman guitars 🤪😊👍

GuitarsFromMars 12-09-2021 02:37 PM

Base model James Olsen SJ.

THart 12-09-2021 02:58 PM

Just talking about carved archtops from some of the elite builders to get some comparisons. That's why I posted in the archtop forum but thanks, know that amount of change will buy lots of guitars.

WmHulme 12-17-2021 03:41 AM

I just bought a used Trenier for about 7k. It is gorgeous and sounds like the heavens. Follow Trenier, Andersen, etc on reverb and eBay. When you see one, just call the seller, if it is a shop. I would first figure out what you want exactly, then be ready. In my opinion, if I’m spending 7k on a guitar, it is going to be acoustic only. This way, you can play PB strings and get the full acoustic sound. If you want to have a pickup, then that is a different game, and the best luthiers actually carve their archtops for electrics differently. All that being said, I think 6-8k will get you to just about as good as possible if you play your cards right. Go to Andersen’s website—he will build new for 6k or so, which is beyond reasonable. Many luthiers will have customers trade guitars in for new custom builds, and then sell their own used guitars at very good prices. Find the luthiers you like and keep an eye out. There are past threads on these luthiers, which are great and helped me out a ton. Good luck.

Regularly check https://www.archtop.com/PageMill_Resources/ac_inst.html
http://guitarsnjazz.com/gbase-invent...RoCSMwQAvD_BwE

Howard Emerson 12-17-2021 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THart (Post 6874524)
I have a small body Weber Bitterrroot archtop, Sitka with Mahogany back & sides. Basically a no frills model which suits me just fine and it's a wonderfull guitar, way beyond my abilities really, but I can't help wondering what a red spruce over maple would sound like. Somehow to me, right or wrong, that seems like a quintessential combination. So I asked Bruce W what such a build from him would cost today. Well, maybe he doesn't build such a "basic" model now. His reply "$12,000 but the options are endless...The only thing that would take the price over $12,000 would be some elaborate inlay, pearl purfling, or varnish finish." So, just for comparison sake, what would 12K get you from other builders today?

There's probably at least 100 used guitars from small 1 man/woman luthier shops available under 12K.

The bigger problem is the search for them!! Put 'archtop' in the description and it turns into a 335 list that goes on and on. Put in 'carved top' and any number of PRS, et al come up.

I'm certain you can find Bourgeois, Benedetto, Moll, Triggs, and one of the best builders is Rancourt in Canada. Here's what less than 9K US will get you. Listen to Bridge Over Troubled Waters for the proof.

https://www.rancourtguitars.com/autu...4lV_a7P9s7yk3o

Regards,
Howard Emerson

tdq 12-19-2021 05:54 PM

Like others, my first thought is omg all the guitars I could buy.
But seriously, if I had that money to spend on an archtop, I'd have a look at a Gilchrist, seriously beautiful guitars - I don't know the prices but I know they are up there.
e.g.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...4/IMG_2551.jpg

Richard Mott 12-20-2021 07:25 AM

The Gilchrist is as good as it gets, I have never played a better guitar—of any kind.

THart 12-20-2021 06:25 PM

Great suggestions everybody. I think a Gilchrist is going to run north of 12k but I know them by reputation though I've never played one. I had the good fortune to attend a Watkins Family Hour show over the weekend. Their guest was Courtney Hartman and she played a Lawrence Smart archtop. Here's a video of her with it. Just about the perfect sound for an archtop to my ear. I haven't found any info on price but based on what I've seen of Smart mandolins I'd guess they must be up in that range. Well, I can't seem to embed the video so here's the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtldB73hiYM


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