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kitesurfer 11-23-2021 09:12 AM

Amicus players
 
i've got 2 issues. one being, baselor joint arthritis that is affecting my playing. touching the back of the neck in certain positions cause intense pain spasms. I had my X20 set up by my Taylor authorized repair (from advice from my teacher) even though i don't think it was necessary. So it frets very easy now, I can play this guitar for 15 minutes until my hand hurts too bad to continue. I have played my Amicus about 3 hours at once, with some pain , but not enough to stop. I am really enjoying my
Amicus due to many reasons, but I wonder if it would benefit me any to lower the action. I am trying to learn open chords without my thumb touching the neck, which helps. barre chords are not necessarily what i am after, but more an easy player for old hands. I don't think i could barre a G# anyway because my fingers won't fit! any input on the setup would be welcomed. also, my Amicus 'rings' through my ribs FOREVER it seems. It's has much more 'feelings' than my top of the line Taylors, or even my x20. all the things i love about this little guitar are not mentioned anywhere. i guess it just 'fits' me.

JackDaniel 11-23-2021 09:25 AM

I tune mine b to b. I find it easier to play and easier to match the most common singling keys (g or c).

David Eastwood 11-23-2021 01:23 PM

When I got mine, it felt very 'tight' in the standard D tuning. I tried C, and then went down to B, each getting progressively easier to play, but I felt as if I was rather missing the point of the Amicus. B to B is much closer to guitar tension, but it seemed as if I was missing the sparkle, so I went back to D.

It was still a bit hard to play, though, so I did a little checking. I realized that the nut slots were a tad high, so I took it to St Paul Guitar Repair for adjustment. They did their magic, and it now plays so easily, I barely notice that it's a 12-string. I don't see any need to lower the action - that nut adjustment was all that was required.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniel (Post 6862618)
I tune mine b to b. I find it easier to play and easier to match the most common singling keys (g or c).

I can see G being easy with B-B tuning - but C?

Fixedgear60 11-26-2021 03:10 PM

I have owned two amicus.. or is it amicusies :-). If it is any consolation I always found that open cords sound best on this little 12 string. This little baby likes to ring out!!!

Hope you enjoy!!!

RP 11-26-2021 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixedgear60 (Post 6865172)
I have owned two amicus.. or is it amicusies :-).

Amicus is the singular masculine noun for friend. Plural would be amici...

esimms86 11-26-2021 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RP (Post 6865253)
Amicus is the single masculine noun for friend. Plural would be amici...

I loved the scene in the movie Scarface where Al Pacino says, ďLet me introduce you to my little Amicus.Ē Scarface, of course, was no amicus curiae. And @Fixedgear60 might have to amicuse himself.

RP 11-27-2021 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by esimms86 (Post 6865443)
I loved the scene in the movie Scarface where Al Pacino says, ďLet me introduce you to my little Amicus.Ē Scarface, of course, was no amicus curiae. And @Fixedgear60 might have to amicuse himself.

Every once in a very long while I find and seize the opportunity to utilize six years of public school Latin classes. O tempera, o mores.....

kitesurfer 11-30-2021 06:38 AM

I thought there would be more than one amicus owner here.

David Eastwood 11-30-2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kitesurfer (Post 6867939)
I thought there would be more than one amicus owner here.

There are at least two :)

Plus one, if not two, former owners - and thatís just from this thread.

nootis 11-30-2021 04:34 PM

3!

I just got mine yesterday, and I also have about that many minutes on it thus far. I will be trying the suggested tunings myself.:)

dmcginnis 11-30-2021 05:30 PM

Here is another - tuned in DADGAD which works well for open chords. And yes, it rings forever.

Dave

David Eastwood 11-30-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nootis (Post 6868425)
3!

I just got mine yesterday, and I also have about that many minutes on it thus far. I will be trying the suggested tunings myself.:)

Splendid! How about a picture or two? :D

philjs 12-01-2021 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dmcginnis (Post 6868468)
Here is another - tuned in DADGAD which works well for open chords. And yes, it rings forever.

Mine arrived on Friday and I'm a full-time DADGAD player, Dave, so I've been toying with that and what string gauges I'll need to do what I think it's capable of being. I'd love to bring it down to GDGCGD (DADGAD version of A to A standard) which worked well on my 19.1" scale Papoose, but would be happy with AEADEA (from B to B standard).

On arrival I immediately tuned the "bass" D pair down to C and the two treble coursed down to G and C respectively (so CGCFGC). The 042 pair and the 011 and 085 courses are fine down a full step. They're also OK but a bit slack if it comes down to BF#BEF#B, another half step down from CGCFGC. but they're far too floppy down to AEADEA. The drop in tension for the inner 3 pairs of strings makes play a bit easier. They also do pretty well down another full step but could need slight up-gauging.

So, my next step, at the first string change, will be to up-gauge some strings, specifically the 2.5 step-down ones. I think I'll need a pair of 045 for the low A and 013 and 010 for the two high pairs. I'll likely also boost some of those inner strings (eg the 029 pair to 030, the 020 to 022 and the 015 to 016). Not a major gauge change in the grand scheme of things (but I may be happy I invested in those nut files!).

In the meantime, in between time, I'm enjoying playing it in B to B (DADGAD intervals, of course)...very intriguing sound with interesting possibilities!

Phil

David Eastwood 12-01-2021 08:00 AM

Iíll be interested to hear what you end up with for strings, Phil. Iím happy with mine in D-d, but I havenít started playing with open tunings yet. As I mentioned, I thought it lost its sparkle going down to C-c or B-b - but thatís with the stock strings. Having something a tad heavier to restore the tension should restore that brilliant voice.

For those who donít know, the Amicus is an 18Ē scale instrument. Thatís roughly equivalent to a 25.5Ē scale guitar capoíd at the 6th fret - but itís tuned to the equivalent of the 10th fret, so you can imagine the extra tension. The stock strings are .042-.0085, so very light to start with by guitar standards - which mitigates the fact that theyíre tuned 2 full tones higher.

dmcginnis 12-01-2021 12:58 PM

I really like the Newtone strings for the Amicus:

https://newtonestrings.com/shop/emer...son-12-string/

Cheers,
Dave

kitesurfer 12-01-2021 01:37 PM

I'm trying to do my string homework before I change them. I'm not getting a lot to go on. I don't understand the reasoning for changing out the 6 string pair... I'm thinking i will go with elixir, and order a single string x 2 if i need to, after the fact (@$6 ea) I did this morning re tune to DADGAD and I DON'T get it. every chord I played sounded really out of tune! was this a joke? haha i fell for it, or there something I'm not getting.

David Eastwood 12-01-2021 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kitesurfer (Post 6869230)
I'm trying to do my string homework before I change them. I'm not getting a lot to go on. I don't understand the reasoning for changing out the 6 string pair... I'm thinking i will go with elixir, and order a single string x 2 if i need to, after the fact (@$6 ea) I did this morning re tune to DADGAD and I DON'T get it. every chord I played sounded really out of tune! was this a joke? haha i fell for it, or there something I'm not getting.

Youíre going to have to play some games to get Elixirs in the right gauges. Closest I can find is an electric ĎSuper Lightí set, which is .009-.042. Either that, or youíll be buying lots of strings just to get what you need.

Or you can just buy the Newtones, which will actually come out cheaper than two sets of the Elixirs, and be delightful to play. Plus the fun of getting something in the mail from the UK :)

kitesurfer 12-04-2021 05:48 AM

David, i have ordered a set from Stringjoy. they have a 'custom' set . i know nothing about them other than a FB add and made in Nashville.

RP 12-04-2021 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kitesurfer (Post 6871337)
David, i have ordered a set from Stringjoy. they have a 'custom' set . i know nothing about them other than a FB add and made in Nashville.

What gauge strings are in the set you ordered?

David Eastwood 12-04-2021 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kitesurfer (Post 6871337)
David, i have ordered a set from Stringjoy. they have a 'custom' set . i know nothing about them other than a FB add and made in Nashville.

Interesting. I donít see anything on their website - is this a set that they put together for you, or something they already had, but didnít advertise?

Iím going to ask them as well - Iíll be asking them about strings for my X20-7 also.

kitesurfer 12-05-2021 04:46 AM

David. their custom sets allow you to pick the size for each string. they offer a wound or unwound string for #3. i have reservations....i ordered on thursday and a shipping label was created. as of saturday, they still have not shipped. prompt shipping is a requirement of mine.

David Eastwood 12-05-2021 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kitesurfer (Post 6872090)
David. their custom sets allow you to pick the size for each string. they offer a wound or unwound string for #3. i have reservations....i ordered on thursday and a shipping label was created. as of saturday, they still have not shipped. prompt shipping is a requirement of mine.

Understood. Newtone offers the same facility. Many times, their custom sets are made to order, however, so shipping is best described as leisurely.

nootis 12-05-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by David Eastwood (Post 6868469)
Splendid! How about a picture or two? :D

I just posted a NGD in the General section here...

https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...06#post6872006

Here is a teaser...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...28722925_b.jpg


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