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lzybt 12-08-2018 06:47 PM

Genz Benz acoustic amp
 
I recently bought a mint condition Genz Benz Shenandoah 60. I'm liking it so far. Wondering why they went out of business, then started yet another Company?

Sorry for wasting your time, I just found other posts about this amp.

jonfields45 12-08-2018 11:25 PM

Fender bought Kaman and decided they did not need the brand. Jeff Genzler has started a new company with similar products not surprisingly branded Genzler.

Br1ck 12-09-2018 02:05 AM

There is a long history of both Fender and Gibson buying out competitors then shutting them down.

Murphy Slaw 12-09-2018 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Br1ck (Post 5913390)
There is a long history of both Fender and Gibson buying out competitors then shutting them down.

And we see the outcome. They are both wobbly.

Maybe the Moral is, that it's better to concentrate on what you do best and put all of your talent and resources into THAT.

;)

KevWind 12-09-2018 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy Slaw (Post 5913443)
And we see the outcome. They are both wobbly.

Maybe the Moral is, that it's better to concentrate on what you do best and put all of your talent and resources into THAT.

;)

Very true, unfortunately in the global corporate business model and mentality and satisfying shareholders, "If you're not expanding, you're not in business " And simply "Maintaining" where you are at, is looked upon as bad business or a losing proposition. This has led to this endless cycle of buyouts, mergers, takeovers, etc.

Ludere 12-09-2018 08:18 AM

At least when the Romans conquered, they absorbed the best of what those peoples had to offer and leveraged it.

From what I've read, these guys conquer and then chuck it all with the bath water.

:confused:

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jonfields45 12-09-2018 08:37 AM

I think Fender took the Genz Benz idea of great sounding weight optimized products and incorporated that so thoroughly into the Fender branded products that the short production run Genz Benz models made no sense to retain.

Kaman, which we recoginize for their major brands, was a large distributor of musical products which I imagine is still largely functioning under the Fender umbrella (all that small stuff in a music store adds up to some significant business).

Fender's handling of Tacoma, Ovation and Guild kind of hurts too, but by the time they ended up in Fender they were (likely money loosing) low volume operations.

RustyAxe 12-09-2018 09:19 AM

As a bassist who uses Genz-Benz gear I think Fender did the brand a favor. They could have continued it, with ever-decreasing quality control and customer support, and let it die a slow lingering death as Jeff's name became synonymous with cheap junk. Instead, GB bass gear is highly valued and the name means something good to bassists. The new Genzler bass gear is getting lots of attention because of that.

Genzler's Acoustic Array Pro is said to be outstanding, but I've not had an opportunity to audition one.

mixsit 12-09-2018 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jonfields45 (Post 5913349)
Fender bought Kaman and decided they did not need the brand. Jeff Genzler has started a new company with similar products not surprisingly branded Genzler.

Very interesting :>)
One of my fellow AC guit players has a Shenandoah. To my mind it's up there as a pretty darn good one. Def a step up from a bunch of them that seem to be 'stick a piezio over a cone driver and call it good.
My ref came from a time comparing AC guitar through studio monitors, some decent relatively neutral pa speakers I have, to see 'what is it' -or not :>) about?
As a result landing on the (earlier ver) three way Fishman Performer.

It suspect the Shenandoah's dual 6" main drivers is part of it's 'edge.

BluesKing777 12-09-2018 11:16 PM

I have had my Genz Benz Shenandoah 60 Stereo acoustic amp since it came out new a fair while back.....

Great amp, awful mouthful of a name to tell people about:)

Mine has a cutout on the back so you can lean the amp back like a monitor wedge. Is this the same as yours?

BluesKing777.

lzybt 12-10-2018 09:57 PM

Yes it does have a cutout for leaning back.

BluesKing777 12-11-2018 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lzybt (Post 5915315)
Yes it does have a cutout for leaning back.



Ha! Remember to put your beer somewhere else...that is a bad, bad habit anyway!

Some good things about the 60, one being that there are 2 channels the same while a lot of new amps have one guitar input and one mic input. The first channel has a mic and a 1/4" input that the manual says 'sums' both inputs in an emergency. Handy. Stereo outs good if ie. you use a Boss VE8 with stereo out - you can use it in your amp and run it stereo out to a mixer/PA. (a lot of effects are nicer in stereo...).


Good luck.


BluesKing777.


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