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meb 01-12-2018 03:48 PM

Grace Alix Review - First Impreassions
 
Hello All. I finally pulled the trigger on the Alix. It came in this afternoon and
I spent about an hour or so with it. I have been lusting after one for a
while, but was concerned that what some called precise or pristine may
translate into a 'dry-ish' sound that stripped off some body from the tone.

I have been using the Baggs Venue and PADI for the last 18 months
or so and had pretty good results. But, some reports on this forum said the
Alix was in 'another league'; so I had to try it.

The context of my first impressions were with my Goodall HRCJC with
a passive Dimarzio Black Angel thru a Bose T1 to a Bose L1c. All cables
were Mogami Gold. I first plugged in the PADI. Sound was good as
usual. Then I popped in the Alix.

I had read the manual; so I had a pretty good idea of a starting point
with all the switches. I am not a total novice, but I would not consider myself
anywhere near a expert at dialing in preamps. From the start the sound
was ok. I 'did' hear a little dryness vs the PADI. But with just dialing
back 800hz a tad, the sound came alive. The dry virtually disappeared,
though the PADI may have had a warmer darker sound.

What the Alix did was increase the dynamic range a ton. Whereas the PADI
will give up a little with a hard strum, the Alix just smiles and asks for more.
Goodalls are known for their overtones. The Alix presented them in spades.
It's like you don't know what you are missing until someone points it out.
After listening a while I couldn't even tell if there was any dryness.
The black background and dynamics were too captivating to notice.

The controls are pretty intuitive even for me. I like the fact that the hz
are printed on the unit for the most part. But maybe the knobs are overkill.
I moved the Bass and Treble knobs a little but ended up leaving them flat.

I don't have my Venue right now; I will give a Venue/Alix report when I get it.

Meanwhile, I will let you know the Alix 'wears' on me. My next gig isn't until early February, and I will use it with my L1 mod 2 then.

To sum up, at first blush, the Alix is pretty much what I hoped it would be,
a refinement of other very good work-horse products.

I hope this info helps others like me who were curious.

mandowilli 01-12-2018 06:18 PM

Thanks for the review and do post more.

I am awaiting the arrival of a Grace Felix for use on my mandolin and dobro due to the shortcomings of the Tonebone Pre Z. I have been unable to find any mandolin players who have embraced or even tried one of these but have noticed that they are more than a few users on this site.

The ability to set input impedance and have separate eq for each channel make it very appealing.

I will add my two cents in the near future.

Vancebo 01-12-2018 06:42 PM

Thanks for the report. I haven’t given a review of my Alix yet. I bought one used in Reverb. I have been a Venue, PADI and Red Eye user for the past few years. I feel the Alix is a step up in sonic quality. I use a Dazzo in all my guitars. It is a passive pickup that is similar to the K and K and needs a preamp. The signal is hot and the Dazzo benifits from the Red Eye and Alix’s 10 mega ohm impedance.

I guess we all have our ways of describing sound. I guess I don’t understand what dry is. But with all my preamps set flat and the guitar plugged in the Alix yields the best clean warm tone followed by the Red Eye, Mesa Rosette then PADI then Venue.

I like how the Alix has an option of a low pass filter. You never know when you find you need that option. The one complaint I have is that the notch filter setting may cut too much of the sonic picture out. The Venue’s notch filter is considerably less noticeable. Everyone will have a different opinion on that. The frequency for the notch filter is adjustable but the depth is not.

So far, I have used it through my ARE Compact 60 amp at home and the system at church. I was very happy with the results. I will post more later.

varmonter 01-13-2018 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandowilli (Post 5600705)
Thanks for the review and do post more.

I am awaiting the arrival of a Grace Felix for use on my mandolin and dobro due to the shortcomings of the Tonebone Pre Z. I have been unable to find any mandolin players who have embraced or even tried one of these but have noticed that they are more than a few users on this site.

The ability to set input impedance and have separate eq for each channel make it very appealing.

I will add my two cents in the near future.

I use the felix for mandolin and guitar for a couple years now it works as designed.
you can move an internal jumper to change the midrange sweep
on channel 2 which is where i use the mandolin. very versatile preamp .
and it sounds wonderful. also i have a kk twin mando installed
in my Ellis mandolin. there is a nasty percussive sound that comes
out of this combo. if i use the dip switch to go from Low pass filter
to notch i can notch out that nasty percussive .

Bobalooba 01-13-2018 10:38 AM

When I tried out the Alix , my first impression was "there was no meat on that bone". I too had been using the Venue for a few years. One thing I discovered was the Alix has a bass roll off shelve pin on the inside of the unit and mine was set on the wrong pin which made the rolloff cover a wider range. I changed it back to the factory setting and it did help. The Alix is a well made, very transparent sounding unit with a lot of headroom but for my tastes I still liked the Venue as much or better. For what it's worth.

gfsark 01-13-2018 11:21 AM

Meb, wondering if you use or tried out the T1 preamp since you have some Bose units? Based on specs it seems that the Alix has a pedal boost out, and variable impedance with the T1 does not support. Outside of those items, it seems that the T1 does quite a bit with equalizers, filters, compressors etc...each channel independence and would be at least the equal if not more than Alix.

My main gripe with the T1 is that its designed to be supported on a thin support arm and doesn’t like to sit on a flat surface.

mandowilli 01-13-2018 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varmonter (Post 5601102)
I use the felix for mandolin and guitar for a couple years now it works as designed.
you can move an internal jumper to change the midrange sweep
on channel 2 which is where i use the mandolin. very versatile preamp .
and it sounds wonderful. also i have a kk twin mando installed
in my Ellis mandolin. there is a nasty percussive sound that comes
out of this combo. if i use the dip switch to go from Low pass filter
to notch i can notch out that nasty percussive .

Any reason for the mando with K&K into channel two instead of channel one?
What impedance setting do you use on this, 20M?

meb 01-13-2018 03:12 PM

Bobalooba, the 'no meat on the bone' is the perfect description of my
concerns before purchasing the Alix. Vancebo, that is what I was describing
as 'dry'. The Fishman Platinum would fall in this camp where a Presonus Tubepre could be described as err'ing in the other direction. I spent too
many years in the Audiophile world. :-)

I played with the Alix more today. As Bobalooba says, I do at times feel
like I am walking a fine line between having meat and not. So far,
I have had good results with my Black Angel equipped Goodalls.
I can get the tonality fullness similar the PADI but with the added dynamics
I mentioned earlier. The soft touches on the strings finger-picked are
brilliantly revealed giving opportunity for more expression. When I bang
the guitar, the PADI gives me a quack, whereas the Alix doesn't.

When I tried my Collings D1 with a Trance Amulet, I could dial it in
somewhat, but there was definitely a lack of meat on the bone.

Gfsark, all my comments have been based on running through the T1
Tonematch mixer. I generally keep the ZEQ flat and add Reverb and Compression if needed Since my Black Angel is passive, I always prefer
the sound when I use a preamp/DI rather than going directly to the T1.
I also preferred the BA over the active M1A and M80 which I sometimes
ran direct to the T1 back a while ago. I guess that shows that I am OCD
about sound.....now we see why I am trying the Alix.

I DID take the T1 out of the chain and ran the Alix directly to the L1C
using the Line Out and volume control. Tonal characteristics were
similar, but it was grainy by comparison. ..not a horrible degradation, but there.

My thoughts on Day 2:
Given its price ,the Alix is definitely not a no-brainer. It can be unforgiving
with the wrong associated gear. If the added dynamics are important
to you, it is worth checking out. I am finding them somewhat addictive.
I still have some more time for evaluation. My Venue is in California
to have a broken phase switch fixed. I hope it comes in soon for a
shootout but deep down I think the results will be similar to the PADI.

varmonter 01-13-2018 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandowilli (Post 5601425)
Any reason for the mando with K&K into channel two instead of channel one?
What impedance setting do you use on this, 20M?

no reason i just use channel one for guitar and two for mando.
i use the 1mohm setting. for mando . it seems to sound the best there.

Vancebo 01-13-2018 07:15 PM

I guess I feel real good about the Alix. I just sold my Venue and Session. I will keep the Alix, Red Eye, the Mesa Rosette and the Baggs PADI. Simply, the Alix and the Red Eye handle the Dazzo better than anything else. I liked the form of the Venue better than the Rosette but I like the function of the Rosette more than the Venue. So, function tops form IMO.

User results vary, but I think for folks who want every piece of their rig to be the best it could be the Alix will appeal to that audiophile in us.

Petty1818 01-13-2018 07:55 PM

I bought the Felix secondhand last summer and I love it. I use a variety of instruments live (mandolin, acoustic, octave mandolin etc) so this unit really helped with cutting down the amount of gear on my board. I think it sounds fantastic and it's rock solid. I do feel that there are almost too many features on it and at times I forget what the switches on the side do but overall it's great. I haven't fully compared it to my other DI's but I don't feel as though it thins out my tone at all.

varmonter 01-14-2018 07:04 AM

i have to agree with the above post. I am always
looking at new gear. i just bought a tonedexter.
it has a lot of features similar to the felix.
it lacks(so far imho) the tone of the felix.
But again its a third of the price of the felix.
i may keep it ( the tonedexter)to use at gigs that lack floor space
for my pedalboard. it has potential. but like units like
the venue it sounds quite "processed" to me. probably due to the
wavemap technology. it is still pretty good and i have
barely had time to use it. but i have four gigs coming up
soon so it will get a good workout. i don't think
i will be selling the felix anytime soon though.

Bobalooba 01-14-2018 09:04 AM

If I may add, I would carefully open it up and make sure the low freq. internal jumper is on the factory setting (LF1). As I mentioned in my last post, mine wasn't. I also read on some forum someones else's wasn't set right either. The info on that is on pages 12 and 13 of the online manual. That will make a difference. I think the Alix is very powerful but transparent, meaning no added color. Probably with my electronics and type of guitar I use a little color is a good thing which some other pre amps provide.

Petty1818 01-14-2018 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varmonter (Post 5602141)
i have to agree with the above post. I am always
looking at new gear. i just bought a tonedexter.
it has a lot of features similar to the felix.
it lacks(so far imho) the tone of the felix.
But again its a third of the price of the felix.
i may keep it ( the tonedexter)to use at gigs that lack floor space
for my pedalboard. it has potential. but like units like
the venue it sounds quite "processed" to me. probably due to the
wavemap technology. it is still pretty good and i have
barely had time to use it. but i have four gigs coming up
soon so it will get a good workout. i don't think
i will be selling the felix anytime soon though.

I should add that I also own the Tonedexter, which I will be using with the Felix. They are two different preamps/DI's so it's difficult to really compare them. As great as the Felix is, and I love it, it will never match the natural tone of the wavemaps created on the Tonedexter. I am just thinking of experimenting with the TD through the Felix's effects loop. Not sure if it will work but if it does, that will mean that I can make wavemaps for my mandolins and still utilize the two channels of the Felix for eq. It will require me to reach down and turn the wavemap slot knob but that's a small issue.

meb 01-14-2018 12:51 PM

I am back....with a few more tidbits.

First a loose end.....When I mentioned I went directly from Alix to L1c, I
plugged into the Line Level....which was somewhat grainy. I tried it again thru the switch to Tonematch and it was much better. I am not sure I
could even hear a degradation.

I also ran the Alix thru my A&H Zed10fx with very nice results. I was able to tweek the mids tanks to the 2-way midrange knobs. Very close in sound to T1.

Today, I plugged into my Bose L1 mod2. I re-tweeked the settings for
the different PA. It sounded very nice. It definitely less thin and downright
great. The unit could be breaking in a little and maybe I am understanding
the controls a little better. None-the -less, the L1-2 seemed easier to dial in.

After playing a while, I switched back to PADI for grins. It seemed sweeter
but with a bit of grain.....all in all great...certainly stage-worthy. Then back to Alix.

WOW!!! It was like a dozen layers of grain had been removed. The
clarity was astonishing. The background was quieter which allowed
micro and macro dynamics and overtones to emerge. I wonder how much of
the difference will come thru to an audience. I now see the affection
bestowed on the Felix.

A couple of notes:
-Getting the best settings is a challenge. Slight movement of the dials can
make big sonic changes.
-On paper, the mid-band eq looks powerful and confusing, but in the end
you only have one frequency to Q...whereas the Venue has low-mid and
hi-mid.. With the Alix you must flip a dipswitch to go from High to Low.
-the resolution easily renders the differences between my 2 Goodalls.
-A little more inherent richness would be nice, and maybe it will come with break-in. Cable choices can also help that...the are sizable differences
between my Mogami Gold and my Pighogs.
-And remember, no battery or phantom power...you gotta plug it in.

Now that I have heard what the Alix can do, I cannot imagine it going
anywhere. Enough babbling....hope this helps.

meb 01-15-2018 11:24 AM

I installed my Baggs M1 passive in my HRCJC for comparison. It had a nice
warmer synergy with the Alix rig vs a tad more detail with the Black Angel.
I am leaving the M1 in for the time being. I still have the BA in the RSC.

I also tried an active M1a...things
just muddied up somewhat... probably due to too many gain stages.
I thought I would mention this as an example of the Alix' transparency.

varmonter 01-15-2018 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petty1818 (Post 5602422)
I should add that I also own the Tonedexter, which I will be using with the Felix. They are two different preamps/DI's so it's difficult to really compare them. As great as the Felix is, and I love it, it will never match the natural tone of the wavemaps created on the Tonedexter. I am just thinking of experimenting with the TD through the Felix's effects loop. Not sure if it will work but if it does, that will mean that I can make wavemaps for my mandolins and still utilize the two channels of the Felix for eq. It will require me to reach down and turn the wavemap slot knob but that's a small issue.

let us know what you do and how you like it.
i too would like to combine the felix and TD.
but am curious about potential
gain staging issues.

guitarua 01-15-2018 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandowilli (Post 5600705)
Thanks for the review and do post more.

I am awaiting the arrival of a Grace Felix for use on my mandolin and dobro due to the shortcomings of the Tonebone Pre Z. I have been unable to find any mandolin players who have embraced or even tried one of these but have noticed that they are more than a few users on this site.

The ability to set input impedance and have separate eq for each channel make it very appealing.

I will add my two cents in the near future.

Hey mandowilli,

I have used my Felix for guitar, mando and dobro. It is an excellent two channel pre (studio quality) and I blend mic and pickup sounds on the guitar for a loud but natural sound. No pickup on my mando, but a 57 or ear trumpet edwina into the Felix gives me GREAT sound. I think you will love it!

Petty1818 01-15-2018 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varmonter (Post 5603765)
let us know what you do and how you like it.
i too would like to combine the felix and TD.
but am curious about potential
gain staging issues.

I will for sure. It might be a bit though as I won't have a chance to set this all up for a week or two. I will report back though.

I also purchased the session di to incorporate into my rig but I feel as though I now have a lot going on. That one might be sold off if the TD and Felix combination turn out to be great.

rockabilly69 01-16-2018 02:58 PM

The
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobalooba (Post 5601294)
When I tried out the Alix , my first impression was "there was no meat on that bone". I too had been using the Venue for a few years. One thing I discovered was the Alix has a bass roll off shelve pin on the inside of the unit and mine was set on the wrong pin which made the rolloff cover a wider range. I changed it back to the factory setting and it did help. The Alix is a well made, very transparent sounding unit with a lot of headroom but for my tastes I still liked the Venue as much or better. For what it's worth.

I think you may be slightly confused on the features of your Alix. The J10 jumper doesn't cover a wider range, it changes the center of the Low Frequency knob from 125hz to 250hz.

To really get a feel for what the LF knob does, set the HF knob roll-off to 20HZ with the dipswitch on the side set to rolloff. Set all other controls (mid range and high gain +/-n to their center positions). This way you can see exactly what your Low Frequency knob is doing!!! But if the the HPF Rolloff knob is set to anything higher higher then 125HZ you won't even hear what the Low Frequency knob is doing because it will be shaving everything off below 125HZ!!! That's why you should start with the HPF control at 20, just to see what kind of low-end the Alix is capable of reproducing.

After that, set the LF knob to 0, and learn how using the HPF rolls of the lows (when the dipswitch is set to roll-off), or how it works as a frequency specific notch filter (when dipswitch is set to notch).

I hope this helps clear up some things, if it didn't, my advice was free:)

rockabilly69 01-16-2018 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gfsark (Post 5601354)
Meb, wondering if you use or tried out the T1 preamp since you have some Bose units? Based on specs it seems that the Alix has a pedal boost out, and variable impedance with the T1 does not support. Outside of those items, it seems that the T1 does quite a bit with equalizers, filters, compressors etc...each channel independence and would be at least the equal if not more than Alix.

My main gripe with the T1 is that its designed to be supported on a thin support arm and doesn’t like to sit on a flat surface.

I like the ALIX much better for me as single channel preamplification/EQ (and I own a Bose T1 too), but your info is confusing me. I set my T1 on a flat surface all the time and it sits perfectly flat!

Bobalooba 01-16-2018 06:47 PM

Rockabilly, thanks for the info. I guess I thought that it meant it started rolling things off at 250 hz instead of 125 hz. (like a low cut shelf). So it just changes the reference point on the low knob? It did seem to help when I switched it back to the factory setting of 125 hz though. I also thought the bass range sounded really nice, clear and tight, it was the mids and highs I was having problems with. I remember speaking with Bryan Sutton at a festival last year about his stellar sound.He was using a Baggs Anthem modified with a Joe Mills mic through a Grace Felix. He said he also had to turn the treble knob way back. But it sure sounded great. Anyway it's fun being a part of this discussion and learning something.

rockabilly69 01-16-2018 08:54 PM

I can see why you were confused then. But remember, if the low end is isn't dialed in right, everything else will sound thin. And when doing subtractive EQ with the mid range gain knob remember to start with a smaller Q. The big Q settings on the mid will leave holes in your tone that will sound un-natural, but the smaller settings really can be surgical in getting rid of the problematic piezo mids that honk.

To really get a feel for what frequency is the most offending. Tune your guitar to an open chord. Set your Alix to a small Q (about a 3rd of the range), set the mid +/- knob for a decent cut, and then start fingerpicking or strumming your guitar. While your playing the open chord, slowing sweep the mid frequency knob until your hear the cloud of offending midrange removed. Once you find the frequency that's the problem, adjust the Q to the point where the frequency is removed, but it's not leaving to big of a hole in your tone.

As for the HF frequency knob it's effectiveness is actually going to be determined by what's coming off of your guitar pickup. Every Baggs pickup I'v ever used (and I've used the all), has had a plastic sounding top-end that required a lot of top cut, especially the Lyric and Anthem!

rockabilly69 01-16-2018 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobalooba (Post 5605025)
Rockabilly, thanks for the info. I guess I thought that it meant it started rolling things off at 250 hz instead of 125 hz. (like a low cut shelf). So it just changes the reference point on the low knob? It did seem to help when I switched it back to the factory setting of 125 hz though. I also thought the bass range sounded really nice, clear and tight, it was the mids and highs I was having problems with. I remember speaking with Bryan Sutton at a festival last year about his stellar sound.He was using a Baggs Anthem modified with a Joe Mills mic through a Grace Felix. He said he also had to turn the treble knob way back. But it sure sounded great. Anyway it's fun being a part of this discussion and learning something.

Well I think you may be right and it was me who was not informed, the LF does work as a shelf, and the jumper changes the corner frequency not the center frequency. Maybe you started with the HPF in the middle position rolling off all of the lows at 125hz and below which would make the LF useless. This discussion will definitely provoke getting the best out of the Alix, and about 20 minutes ago I bought a Felix!

Bobalooba 01-17-2018 10:12 AM

Wow, so you have a Felix and an Alix now? I assume you have a stereo PU system then

rockabilly69 01-17-2018 11:20 AM

No, I’m going to use the Felix with one channel dedicated to a National resonator and the other channel dedicated to my acoustic guitar. And I would also like to use it for other gigs with one channel dedicated to a vocal mic and the other channel dedicated to an acoustic guitar. But first, I’m going to send it to Grace and they are going to modify it so the boost doesn’t work for the first channel, that way it won’t affect my vocal when I kick the boost on for guitar solos. I’ll be using it with a Keely Delay Workstation so that it has reverb and delay and it will be used as a mini mixer.

varmonter 01-18-2018 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockabilly69 (Post 5605258)
Well I think you may be right and it was me who was not informed, the LF does work as a shelf, and the jumper changes the corner frequency not the center frequency. Maybe you started with the HPF in the middle position rolling off all of the lows at 125hz and below which would make the LF useless. This discussion will definitely provoke getting the best out of the Alix, and about 20 minutes ago I bought a Felix!

i use my felix with guitar and mandolin.
i have the jumper set to 125 on ch 1 for guitar and 250 on ch 2 for mandolin,

meb 01-26-2018 04:59 PM

Hello, I am back. To make a long story, short, the Alix is boxed up for a
return.

I spent the last couple of weeks trying different pickups in different guitars
trying to find a magic combo or EQ setting. The Alix is very revealing.
I definitely know the Baggs M1 and M1A are warmer than the more
detailed, yet airy Black Angel. I learned the Venue errs to the warm side,
whereas the Alix errs the bright/dry side. The PADI is somewhat in-between.
FYI, the tests were all done thru a Bose L1 mod2 and an L1C.

At the end of most every session, I would get the Alix sounding fine. But the
next session, I would realize that to my ear, something was still not right,
and I would start the EQ process again. I could cover up the sterility with the warmer sounding Baggs pickups at a loss of resolution. To be honest, the
Alix always seemed to sound better in an A-B test, but it was just not 'fun'
to my ear. It was easier to dial in good sound with the other units.

Rambling notes:
*I have a lot of 'respect' for what the Alix does....quiet, beautifully made,
inner dynamics.
*I may not have optimizing the EQ....or maybe a synergy misfit with my other
gear....or maybe I am just horrible at the EQ process.
* To my ear, the Alix is like a refined Fishman preamp.....a little sterile and lacking in air, but the quietness and dynamics are appealing.

Thanks to all for following the thread, and following my journey and helping along the way. I am a relative newbie to AGF, but love to hear the sight and tips you find here. I this has helped others interested in preamp/DI boxes.

By all means the Alix is an interesting unit and worthy of
audition. YMMV, so go for it!

Thanks.

mandowilli 02-01-2018 11:47 PM

Finally received my Felix and was able to use it at a few gigs and I am extremely please with the results.

I spent much time testing various configurations and ended up using the 1M input impedance for my K&K mandolin pickup as others have previously mentioned.

I have spent many years trying many different preamps and parametric eq’s to remove the unwanted sounds from my mandolins. Specifically, the boxy or honkey sound in the lower midrange, and the thump or thud sound that exists below 200hz that I hear when you pic the A or E string. Felix has solved my problem. The high pass filter is amazing. I left the jumper set at 125hz and am able to dial out the thump without impacting the tone of the instrument at all. It’s gone. The rest is easily taken care of by the midrange setting using a high q setting.

The other channel is used for my dobro and is left essential flat because I am using a Fishman Jerry Douglas Aura pedal and Nashville pickup and given the nature of a resonator cone and how each room affects it differently I end up using the presets on it to get the sound I am happy with. I plan on concentrating on this in the near future to see what some adjustments on the eq might yield.

Tuner output, effects loop, switches for mute, boost, channel, everything is top quality and this thing is dead quiet. I also like the input indicators on each channel that go green sensing a signal and red on clip.

Thanks to all on this thread!

Bobalooba 02-04-2018 12:19 PM

I'm the person that posted earlier about my first impression of the Alix was "no meat on the bone". After reading this thread, curiosity got the best of me and I decided to try another one. I am totally wowed. I felt all along that something wasn't right about the first one I tried, but this one is impressive.


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