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martingitdave 04-29-2020 05:47 PM

NMD: Apogee HypeMic
 
Iíve been trying to simplify my music streaming and sharing setup. I have a nice interface from Focusrite with two channels that will do 24/196 recording. But itís a lot to setup in the rec room with the boom stand, etc. every time I want to play some music. I donít have a dedicated recording studio space.

I have a nice Shure MV88 iPad mic, but the new iPad I got has a different interface. So the sure is basically a useless toy.

I wanted to use a USB mic.

First I tried the Zoom H2N recorder in interface mode but it was mostly a disaster. The drivers would never pick it up right on my Windows 10 laptop and the bit depth and sampling rate were always messed up.

Next, I ordered a Blue Yeti X USB mic assuming that would be the answer. It wasnít super expensive. It worked pretty well for two weeks and then just stopped working altogether. I boxed it back up for a return.

Then, I spent this weekend using a real Shure small diaphragm condensed into the interface and got a nice sound. But, again itís a lot to haul around for a quick recording or session with a friend.

I decided to look into something else and reviewed all the USB mics on the market. Most would be just fine. I was shooting for 24/96 recording so it will last a few years.

I saw the Apogee HypeMic and was interested because it has an analog compression circuit before the A/D converter stage.

Wow! This thing sounds as good as the real deal mic with a full interface.

And it comes with a nice case and kit. Frankly, I thought it was expensive when I bought it. Now I think itís a bargain. Hopefully it lasts a long time.

This is my first Apogee product. Itís made in the USA for those who care. It probably wonít be my last.

Cheers!

jaz761 04-29-2020 06:36 PM

Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you. Are you using on vocals and guitar simultaneously or just guitar or? I had the original Apogee Mic and enjoyed using it for awhile.

Would love to hear a sample or two and get a description of your setup!

I found this nice video that I forgot to post:

https://youtu.be/uP_uQTtcpsI

jim1960 04-29-2020 06:48 PM

I'd never heard of that product so I had to look it up. It's interesting. Is there a way to gauge how much compression your applying? I'm assuming you can see the gain level in your daw but I'm wondering how they keep the novice from overcompressing a track unless there's some kind of governor that only lets you go so far.

martingitdave 04-29-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jaz761 (Post 6364708)
Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you. Are you using on vocals and guitar simultaneously or just guitar or? I had the original Apogee Mic and enjoyed using it for awhile.

Would love to hear a sample or two and get a description of your setup!

I found this nice video that I forgot to post:

https://youtu.be/uP_uQTtcpsI



If itís good enough for Bob Miner and his Ď36 D-18, itís good enough for me. I plan to do the AGF Open mic this Saturday night and Iíll be using the single HypeMic for vocals and guitar.

martingitdave 04-29-2020 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jim1960 (Post 6364720)
I'd never heard of that product so I had to look it up. It's interesting. Is there a way to gauge how much compression your applying? I'm assuming you can see the gain level in your daw but I'm wondering how they keep the novice from overcompressing a track unless there's some kind of governor that only lets you go so far.


It has three compression settings low, medium, and smash. Basically, you canít screw it up. Itís all managed internally. Amazing piece of equipment.

jim1960 04-29-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave (Post 6364673)
This is my first Apogee product. Itís made in the USA for those who care. It probably wonít be my last.

Apogee makes excellent gear. I recently added an Apogee Rosetta 800 to my rack to give me extra channels for hardware sends and returns. That box has been around for nearly 20 years but it's still excellent.

jaz761 04-29-2020 08:56 PM

Please forgive my ignorance here...what is the AGF Open Mic?

martingitdave 04-29-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jaz761 (Post 6364833)
Please forgive my ignorance here...what is the AGF Open Mic?


Iíll try and post a link. Itís a Facebook group that Scott started to give us some place to share our music during the pandemic. Itís been a good deal of fun. I think itís in the Show and Tell.

zeeway 04-30-2020 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave (Post 6364673)

I have a nice Shure MV88 iPad mic, but the new iPad I got has a different interface. So the sure is basically a useless toy.

Not to take this in a different direction...but I thought you could buy a cable to connect the lightning connector on the Shure to the Usb-c connector on the new iPad?

martingitdave 04-30-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeway (Post 6364980)
Not to take this in a different direction...but I thought you could buy a cable to connect the lightning connector on the Shure to the Usb-c connector on the new iPad?


I think thatís maybe true. Iíll check it out. I have the original model so Iíd need to rig something to hold it up. I kept it in the drawer. So maybe I can still get some use from it?

jaz761 04-30-2020 09:27 AM

Thanks @martingitdave sounds like a nice thing. I donít have Facebook but hopefully I can catch others using this hypemic elsewhere!

brandall10 04-30-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave (Post 6364673)
I have a nice Shure MV88 iPad mic, but the new iPad I got has a different interface. So the sure is basically a useless toy.

Not necessarily, you just need a female lightning -> usb-c male adaptor such as:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-USB-C-L...8267681&sr=8-3

martingitdave 04-30-2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brandall10 (Post 6365296)
Not necessarily, you just need a female lightning -> usb-c male adaptor such as:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-USB-C-L...8267681&sr=8-3


Thanks for the information! Iíll be sure to check it out.

lkingston 04-30-2020 05:38 PM

NMD: Apogee HypeMic
 
Iíve been using several options from the Shure Motive line. These also have compression (and EQ), but you have to set it from the app, and I expect it is digital. To use it outside the app, you have to set it from the app first.

The Apogee HypeMic has the advantage of being able to set all the parameters from controls of the mic itself.

It would be interesting to see how the two compare. The analog compression of the HypeMic is likely better. Iíve been very impressed with the sound of the Shure Motiv USB mics. I mainly use them with my Android phone.

One thing Iíve been doing lately is to augment the sound of my acoustic guitar with an acoustic amp. I play no-nails fingerstyle and my singing is quite a lot louder than my playing. Also, the amp allows me to augment the low frequencies of the guitar and add a little reverb. I just turn up the amp very little until the blend in the air with my voice is good.

martingitdave 04-30-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lkingston (Post 6365714)
Iíve been using several options from the Shure Motive line. These also have compression (and EQ), but you have to set it from the app, and I expect it is digital. To use it outside the app, you have to set it from the app first.

The Apogee HypeMic has the advantage of being able to set all the parameters from controls of the mic itself.

It would be interesting to see how the two compare. The analog compression of the HypeMic is likely better. Iíve been very impressed with the sound of the Shure Motiv USB mics. I mainly use them with my Android phone.

One thing Iíve been doing lately is to augment the sound of my acoustic guitar with an acoustic amp. I play no-nails fingerstyle and my singing is quite a lot louder than my playing. Also, the amp allows me to augment the low frequencies of the guitar and add a little reverb. I just turn up the amp very little until the blend in the air with my voice is good.


I liked the Shure I was using and thought the app was well designed. I will admit that I really enjoy the simplicity of the Apogee analog compressor and controls.

Jgavin 05-01-2020 12:31 PM

I've owned the Apogee MiC 96k for a few years now. It is the predecessor to the current Apogee offering. I do own other condenser mics that I usually record with but being stuck at home without them this last month, I used the Apogee to record some ideas, including a thunderstorm that came through. To say the least I was quite impressed with the results. I went direct to a 1st gen iPad Pro running Cubasis ii. Here's a Soundcloud link if you're interested. I have not had an opportunity to compare a new Apogee mic against the older version.


jaz761 05-01-2020 01:29 PM

Wow. That is absolutely beautiful. (Mic sounds good too) Thanks for posting!

Jgavin 05-01-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jaz761 (Post 6366526)
Wow. That is absolutely beautiful. (Mic sounds good too) Thanks for posting!

Thanks! It was fun.

martingitdave 05-01-2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jgavin (Post 6366474)
I've owned the Apogee MiC 96k for a few years now. It is the predecessor to the current Apogee offering. I do own other condenser mics that I usually record with but being stuck at home without them this last month, I used the Apogee to record some ideas, including a thunderstorm that came through. To say the least I was quite impressed with the results. I went direct to a 1st gen iPad Pro running Cubasis ii. Here's a Soundcloud link if you're interested. I have not had an opportunity to compare a new Apogee mic against the older version.





That was wonderful! A treat. Thatís for posting to this thread. I appreciate it. It inspires me to make some good music with the new mic.

Jgavin 05-01-2020 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave (Post 6366937)
That was wonderful! A treat. Thatís for posting to this thread. I appreciate it. It inspires me to make some good music with the new mic.

My pleasure. Sometimes I think inspiration is half the battle! I know it is for me.

martingitdave 05-02-2020 08:00 PM

Hi Folks! Did the first steaming with the Apogee HypeMic. I used the middle compression setting because evidently my dynamics require it. Lol

Also, it seems the video could not keep up with the audio, so I may be forced to upgrade computers, or change settings.

Video for those who use Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/dcallan1/vi...7358485543137/

keith.rogers 05-03-2020 07:31 AM

I'm in the 96k is pointless for home recording camp, but especially if you are streaming, I'd be going with 48k and maybe even dial the phone/camera back to 720p. Test the live feed privately first to get settings that work.

martingitdave 05-04-2020 09:19 PM

NMD: Apogee HypeMic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keith.rogers (Post 6368090)
I'm in the 96k is pointless for home recording camp, but especially if you are streaming, I'd be going with 48k and maybe even dial the phone/camera back to 720p. Test the live feed privately first to get settings that work.


Indeed, the 96k is overkill from a frequency response standpoint. But what I was most interested is the 24 bit resolution for the dynamic headroom. And, evidently, the two are paired together in a number of these home/audio products. 48/24 would have been just fine, but that wasnít offered with the compressor. The 720p webcam is all my computerís graphics card can push anyway. I think the bottom line is that the analog compressor is WAY more valuable than I thought for my style of singing and playing.

keith.rogers 05-05-2020 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by martingitdave (Post 6369812)
Indeed, the 96k is overkill from a frequency response standpoint. But what I was most interested is the 24 bit resolution for the dynamic headroom. And, evidently, the two are paired together in a number of these home/audio products. 48/24 would have been just fine, but that wasnít offered with the compressor. The 720p webcam is all my computerís graphics card can push anyway. I think the bottom line is that the analog compressor is WAY more valuable than I thought for my style of singing and playing.

Tying the compressor to 96k/24-bit seems like a "curious" (being generous here) design choice. I mean, why 96k, and for that matter, if you're compressing, do you really even need 24-bit at that point? (It's certainly been reduced to 16-bit equivalent by the time it's streamed.)

martingitdave 05-05-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by keith.rogers (Post 6370016)
Tying the compressor to 96k/24-bit seems like a "curious" (being generous here) design choice. I mean, why 96k, and for that matter, if you're compressing, do you really even need 24-bit at that point? (It's certainly been reduced to 16-bit equivalent by the time it's streamed.)


I think itís just the evolution of their product line. Why make more than one chip? Also itís designed for recording, Iím just using it for streaming. And the compression is optional of course. All that aside, I can tell you itís the best sounding USB solution Iíve tried. I wonít be using any other USB product after this. It just works well for me.

Martin Maniac 05-05-2020 07:11 AM

Martingitdave, Thanks for the post and bringing this mic to our attention, I'm seriously considering buying one on Thursday or Friday. I did some due diligence on You Tube and it's getting great reviews there. I'm thinking it would make a great addition to my little home video studio. Even though $350 is a lot of money, it's a lot of mic with an Apogee compressor built in....

robroy 05-06-2020 12:47 AM

Iím also grateful to hear about the HypeMic and ordered one the other day. I have been a fan of Apogee for a number of years, with the Duet interface and the original Mic, which I still use but plan to sell when my HypeMic arrives. I am mostly focused on making videos these days and canít wait to enjoy those built in compression settings!

Martin Maniac 05-06-2020 06:20 AM

I just placed my order for one...I bought it directly from Apogee. I compared the price of the Hyper mic to the the two AT 4140's and the AKG C214's I already have, and the HyperMic is very comparable with pricing, plus I'd get the Apogee compressor built in, which makes it a bargain. After hearing the A/B test with a Neumann on You Tube, it was a no brainer. After hearing a demo of the compressor, I felt I needed this mic to add depth to my voice.....so why wait....

cheer tunes 05-06-2020 05:03 PM

I like the idea of that apogee mic, can you plug it directly into an iPhone 11?

Like many of us, I'm trying to find a good solution for hi-fi life streaming. Please let me know if this workflow would work or if I'm missing something.

AKG414 mic > iRig Pro> iPhone 11 > Facebook Live

Thanks!

Martin Maniac 05-06-2020 09:43 PM

HypeMic vrs U-87......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX8B0At5Pyk


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