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matthewpartrick 10-05-2016 05:06 PM

Burton LeGeyt Renaissance Parlour
 
Hey there kids,

we are finally starting this thread. I wanted to wait until after Santa Barbara so that I wouldn't be detracting Burton's attention too much. This project has been in its infancy for about 18 months. We initially started thinking about a Ditson style 3 parlour but since Burton was so excited about the Martin Renaissance shape I acquiesced. The specs are a little hard to describe but here goes. Also, full disclosure: All pictures of the original guitar are credited to the owner, Robert Corwin, and his excellent site, www.vintagemartin.com. All build photos are credited towards the builder, Burton LeGeyt.

12 fret concave upper bout parlour
Hide Glue Construction
Red Spruce over Koa
short scale
1 3/4 nut, 2 5/16 bridge
Hollow CF nonadjustible neck reinforcement with compression T fretting
Crazy cool tuner to be determined :0

Here's the inspration:

https://i.imgur.com/3PYPgSS.jpg

I was really inspired by Burton's incredible ability to take vintage inspiration and apply a very cool modern interpretation. A great example is a few of these shots from his most recent custom shop thread:

https://i.imgur.com/7UyiRQP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6pc3PYI.jpg

We elected to go with Koa and Red Spruce:

https://i.imgur.com/D3gOQZ3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GxdJBgW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZXYwMdb.jpg

We're also going to try and use a few other vintage Martin inspirations, and Burton has something special in store for the tuners. As you saw in his thread he's really been experimenting in flushed tuners, so we may riff on that a little. Keep an eye on the thread and we'll update as things go on!

J.R. Rogers 10-05-2016 05:10 PM

Matthew, congrats! I played Burton's guitars this last weekend for the first time and was so impressed. Really love his aesthetic approach and his guitars were toneful and lively - even in a noisy environment I could tell that they were special.

JR

jt1 10-05-2016 06:26 PM

Very cool.

I had possession of the original long enough to play it and X-Ray and CT-Scan it. An astonishing instrument.

matthewpartrick 10-05-2016 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Rogers (Post 5088442)
Matthew, congrats! I played Burton's guitars this last weekend for the first time and was so impressed. Really love his aesthetic approach and his guitars were toneful and lively - even in a noisy environment I could tell that they were special.

JR

Thanks! Juston had a lot of nice things to say about his work too. Wait until you see his crazy engineered neck blocks!

matthewpartrick 10-05-2016 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt1 (Post 5088514)
Very cool.

I had possession of the original long enough to play it and X-Ray and CT-Scan it. An astonishing instrument.

Yes, Robert is a generous guy. Wish I had a chance to hang out with you guys last weekend. Memphis 2017?

The Koa in your Thomas/Lichty partly inspired the use of Koa in ours :)

Have fun at Desert Trip and tell the Stones I said hey!

justonwo 10-05-2016 07:54 PM

As we have discussed offline, this is going to be RAD. Burton is exceptionally talented. Koa and red spruce is a REALLY good choice.

JJI 10-05-2016 11:57 PM

Dude,
 
This is wicked cool. I know you've been waiting for a smaller guitar...this one is going to be killer.

jt1 10-06-2016 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewpartrick (Post 5088591)
Yes, Robert is a generous guy. Wish I had a chance to hang out with you guys last weekend. Memphis 2017?

The Koa in your Thomas/Lichty partly inspired the use of Koa in ours :)

Have fun at Desert Trip and tell the Stones I said hey!

Keep those pics coming!

I'm looking forward to my journey out west. Desert Trip this weekend, Fretboard Summit the next.

matthewpartrick 10-06-2016 05:44 AM

Thanks for the positive comments everyone. Here's the style rosette we're going with, to be found on the Brz CLM he brought to SB:

https://i.imgur.com/G72x38e.jpg

Rodger Knox 10-06-2016 11:52 AM

I'll be following this with great interest, I've just started drawing plans based on photos of the original. It would be great to have the actual width of the upper bout, the waist, the lower bout, and the body length. None of the photos I've found are square from the front, so all these would have to be estimated based on the width in the photo and the estimated angle of the shot. I'd rather create the shape based on the actual measurements, but I don't have to have them. I'm not looking to do a copy or replica, just something close to that shape.

cigarfan 10-06-2016 03:28 PM

Ah, this is going to be cool. I'll be following. Thanks for sharing Matthew.

maurerfan 10-06-2016 03:55 PM

Very interesting!! Having also seen first-hand and played this guitar, I've harbored thoughts about this very same guitar for a custom build ... the recurve into the neck extension being the major draw for me. Great idea ... thanks for sharing!

matthewpartrick 10-06-2016 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodger Knox (Post 5089212)
I'll be following this with great interest, I've just started drawing plans based on photos of the original. It would be great to have the actual width of the upper bout, the waist, the lower bout, and the body length. None of the photos I've found are square from the front, so all these would have to be estimated based on the width in the photo and the estimated angle of the shot. I'd rather create the shape based on the actual measurements, but I don't have to have them. I'm not looking to do a copy or replica, just something close to that shape.

Robert and John Thomas (jt1) probably have measurements. Without putting words in his mouth John might be willing to share. Same with Burton. Worst case scenario is that when I have the guitar in hand I could whip out some values for you.

Burton LeGeyt 10-06-2016 04:15 PM

It is awesome that so many of you have had personal experience with this specific guitar- It truly is a thing of beauty.

Matthew's introduction got me a chance to visit with Robert and see it up close. I was amazed. The condition, the workmanship, and simply the age of the thing. There wasn't anything about it I didn't like and I cannot say that about too many guitars.

I have been wanting to build this for a long long time and I couldn't be more excited to finally be starting-

I did take some measurements when I visited but I have been working off of the plan Robert posted on his site too. It is on this page, almost halfway down.

http://www.vintagemartin.com/xbraces.html

I was able to print it out at scale and it seems very accurate based on the other printed dimensions. In either case, I am not attempting to build a 100% reproduction but rather a guitar heavily based on that one. We will be changing a few things but definitely keeping the vibe of that instrument.

We've been talking around this guitar for a long time! Great to finally hit the ground. I love seeing the excitement for it.

jt1 10-07-2016 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewpartrick (Post 5089518)
Robert and John Thomas (jt1) probably have measurements. Without putting words in his mouth John might be willing to share. Same with Burton. Worst case scenario is that when I have the guitar in hand I could whip out some values for you.

I'm on the road right now and don't have access to my digital x-ray files. When I return in a week, I should be able to get you measurements to the ten thousandth of a millimeter.

Jimmy Caldwell 10-07-2016 07:22 AM

Matthew,

I'll be following this one closely. Burton's work is so inspiring, the perfect blend of tradition and innovation. I finally got to meet him at SBAIC and enjoyed the visit and was equally impressed with the two guitars he brought. You've made a great choice on both the guitar and the luthier.

Steve Kinnaird 10-07-2016 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt1 (Post 5090187)
I'm on the road right now and don't have access to my digital x-ray files. When I return in a week, I should be able to get you measurements to the ten thousandth of a millimeter.

Well, if anyone here can work down to those tolerances, it is Burton.
This will be fun to watch, thanks for sharing!

Steve

Marcus Wong 10-07-2016 09:42 AM

This is a really cool build Matthew and Burton with all the history and what not! Will be following it closely :D

maurerfan 10-07-2016 10:19 AM

Here's a close look at that wonderful re-curve ... photo credit to Robert of course.

http://www.vintagemartin.com/Martin1840Rnsnce_019.jpg

Rodger Knox 10-07-2016 11:04 AM

Thanks for the link, Burton. That's the same site that inspired me to use that shape, and the source of the photos I was using to develop plans. That's more than enough for me, but the X-rays would be interesting to see. You've been a major influence on my building techniques, we seem to agree on a lot of structural and aesthetic ideas. Thanks again.

Bill Kraus 10-11-2016 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maurerfan (Post 5090431)
Here's a close look at that wonderful re-curve ... photo credit to Robert of course.

http://www.vintagemartin.com/Martin1840Rnsnce_019.jpg

It's nice to see that Martin was not afraid to use a piece of mahogany with what looks like a knot in it!, nothing wrong with it.

Bill Kraus 10-11-2016 05:47 AM

Beautiful.

matthewpartrick 10-11-2016 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Kraus (Post 5094211)
It's nice to see that Martin was not afraid to use a piece of mahogany with what looks like a knot in it!, nothing wrong with it.

I know, right?!?!? It also looks like a stacked heel to me as well. So much for the "wings" argument.

jt1 10-11-2016 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewpartrick (Post 5094860)
It also looks like a stacked heel to me as well. So much for the "wings" argument.

Stacked heels are still the standard in the classical guitar world. We in the steel string world need to embrace the stacked aesthetic and let our luthiers save a few trees.

matthewpartrick 10-11-2016 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt1 (Post 5094884)
Stacked heels are still the standard in the classical guitar world. We in the steel string world need to embrace the stacked aesthetic and let our luthiers save a few trees.

I think it's a matter of time. I've been seeing a lot of non-Taylors for sale lately with stripey ebony fretboards. They look totally fine to me! :)

maurerfan 10-12-2016 09:09 AM

Was the Martin original fan-braced ... x-braced .. or? And, what will this build be?

jt1 10-12-2016 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewpartrick (Post 5095094)
I think it's a matter of time. I've been seeing a lot of non-Taylors for sale lately with stripey ebony fretboards. They look totally fine to me! :)

My 1943 Gibson Southerner Jumbo, built at the peak of wartime materials restrictions, boasts a stacked heel and 4 piece top. It's a lovely thing:

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/u...pswpokx8mj.jpg

iim7V7IM7 10-12-2016 11:13 AM

As others have said, I wouldn't think twice about it. My classical guitar built by master luthier Peter Oberg has a stacked Spanish Cedar heel. This has been the Spanish tradition for ages.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7a17dcaa.jpg

matthewpartrick 11-03-2016 07:06 AM

A cool photo of an original 1850s Martin 2-23, courtesy of Robert Corwin, showing a very similar rosette to what we'll be going with.

https://i.imgur.com/OHwXF4v.jpg

justonwo 11-03-2016 10:02 AM

Wow, so cool. This is going to be a fun project to follow. When is Burton planning on starting?


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