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D41Fan 02-03-2019 03:19 PM

For Luthiers, can you use Spanish Cedar for a drednaught?
 
My question is could you use Spanish Cedar for the top back and sides of a 14 fret Slope D guitar? I already know it is not cedar with nearly the same properties as mahogany. I just wanted to know with a standard x bracing pattern if there would be enough stability? I am trying to stay away from Honduran and would like to commission one to be built.
Thank you for any repies.
Dan

Tim McKnight 02-03-2019 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by D41Fan (Post 5969081)
My question is could you use Spanish Cedar for the top back and sides of a 14 fret Slope D guitar? I already know it is not cedar with nearly the same properties as mahogany. I just wanted to know with a standard x bracing pattern if there would be enough stability? I am trying to stay away from Honduran and would like to commission one to be built.
Thank you for any repies.
Dan

I’ve built several guitars using Spanish Cedar on the back and sides but I’ve never used it for a top. It’s just a bit too floppy IMO for the top although you may be able to find an unusually stiff piece for the top?

Alan Carruth 02-03-2019 04:24 PM

It can probably be done. That doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

Why do you want to get away from mahogany? If you're trying to avoid using a tropical hardwood that's in short supply then cedro is not the way to go. Aside from the fact that it's usually much softer and weaker than mahogany, it's also no more common or easy to get, as I understand it. It's also usually soft enough to make it hard to bend for the sides without cracking, or crushing on the inside of the bend.

Why not go with a domestic wood, such as cherry or walnut? Cherry is a really good substitute for Caribbean mahogany, and walnut is pretty close to Honduras mahogany. Either of them is 'way easier to work with than cedro, and makes a very sweet guitar.

D41Fan 02-03-2019 06:31 PM

I read about the Spanish Cedar and thought it may be a good alternative.. Honduran is getting rare and very expensive. I know Martin made a guitar from Spanish Cedar but not for the top. It was the Martin MC Adirondack 1 but was not a dread. I did a lot of reading but trying to find something with Mahogany tone and workability and stability is tough. I wanted to stay away from a Spruce top and go all hog but with custom touches. I guess I'll keep reading and see what I find. BTW, I love the honey shade of an unstained mahogany and that was another reason for the S.Cedar.

Thanks,
Dan

Guitars44me 02-03-2019 08:04 PM

Interesting wood.
 
I have a Jumbo coming from John Kinnaird with SC back and sides. It will have a Western Red Cedar top. And a bunch of bells and whistles, too!

Unless I am mistaken John has a back and sides of SC stashed....

I did a lot of research and found that SC is a very LIGHT wood and as you found it sounds a lot like Mahogany. And I like the tone of my JK Hog/Cedar custom a LOT.

Link to my SC thread: https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/...d.php?t=518168

Maybe John will chime in here...

Best on your build!

Paul

TomB'sox 02-03-2019 09:40 PM

Not a dread, but I have a Spanish Cedar OO that is quite nice.

D41Fan 02-04-2019 12:17 PM

Thanks for the replies// Maybe theres still hope for an all SC guitar???

printer2 02-04-2019 08:54 PM

SuperSoft II will help with the bending if needed but being a dread without the narrow waist you may not be too bothered. I have been bending spruce and have been getting away with it.

D41Fan 02-05-2019 10:39 AM

Thanks but I wouldn't be building myself. It would be a commissioned build. Working out a few details yet. I may just give in an go all Honduran but being on Cites and limited supply is the reason I wanted to go Spanish Cedar which is in the Hog family...distant cousin.

Tim McKnight 02-05-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by D41Fan (Post 5970909)
Thanks but I wouldn't be building myself. It would be a commissioned build. Working out a few details yet. I may just give in an go all Honduran but being on Cites and limited supply is the reason I wanted to go Spanish Cedar which is in the Hog family...distant cousin.

Another option you may want to consider is Khya which is an African Mahogany which I don't think is CITES listed? Its VERY similar to Cedro.

D41Fan 02-05-2019 02:54 PM

Thanks Tim. It depends if the builder will have it in stock.


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