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IndianHillMike 01-14-2021 11:09 AM

I'll toss a couple more into the mix...

https://www.indianhillguitars.com/rosettes-gallery

Tim McKnight 01-14-2021 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaymarsch (Post 6604389)
Not to derail the thread, but as alohahris mentioned the history of the rosette, I am curious if the rosette still has any function other than aesthetic at this point in the evolution of guitar construction. I had read that some luthiers feel that it plays a role in the vibration of the top and the air moving out of the sound hole and other's think it detracts. Do you have an opinion, Tim, based on your experience?

Best,
Jayne




Hi Jane,

Thats a great question although I’ve not seen any tests or evidence of the rosette contributing to the tonal signature, it certainly is possible. John Greven used to say anything south of the X intersection contributes to tone and anything north supports structure and prevents the top from folding itself into the sound hole.

I do believe the rosette helps to seal the open end grain around the soundhole edges. Quartersawn wood exchanges moisture with the atmosphere through its end grain. The top and back’s perimeter binding and the top’s rosette help to seal those end grain exposure surfaces.

mad5427 01-14-2021 01:54 PM

I have taken all this into account. I sent him a bunch of images and talked about why I liked a few images of bindings. I did the same for the rosette so he could get a sense of the aesthetic that I like.

I appreciate the comment about the rosette being the luthier's domain and ability to show their style, etc. He now knows what I like and I'll let him take it from here.

Tim,

Your rosette page was really helpful. There are more than a handful that are exactly what I hope to get. There are others that are more complex than what I gravitate toward but are so extremely beautiful. Thanks for sharing and for the inspiration.

I bought a used guitar through a lefty forum some years ago and it turned out to be a prototype that this guy built for a model he was working on. It has no fancy details but sounded incredible. Unfortunately, the shape, size, fretboard width, etc. just wasn't perfect for me. But man, I loved the sound that came out of the instrument. I was thankfully in a position to sell that one to somebody I hope it is perfect for and commission him to build one that is perfect for me. I know it will sound good, the rest is just going to be the fun aesthetic choices.

Thanks again everybody. This is a lot of fun.

mhw48 01-14-2021 03:44 PM

2 Attachment(s)
On my African Blackwood Franklin Jumbo, Nick used figured maple for the bindings, set off with b/w/b purfling on the top, and thin b/w "filets" on the side

mad5427 01-14-2021 04:02 PM

Indian Hill Mike,

The rosettes at the top right, second row middle, and bottom row middle are all right in line with what I'm looking for. The background rosette on the bottom middle image is my favorite. That spalted wood with the two rings around it! Beautiful! I'm going to show him and see what he thinks. I would love something like that but with the two outer rings darker. I love that one so much.

colins 01-15-2021 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad5427 (Post 6604551)
I have taken all this into account. I sent him a bunch of images and talked about why I liked a few images of bindings. I did the same for the rosette so he could get a sense of the aesthetic that I like.

I appreciate the comment about the rosette being the luthier's domain and ability to show their style, etc. He now knows what I like and I'll let him take it from here.

Tim,

Your rosette page was really helpful. There are more than a handful that are exactly what I hope to get. There are others that are more complex than what I gravitate toward but are so extremely beautiful. Thanks for sharing and for the inspiration.

I bought a used guitar through a lefty forum some years ago and it turned out to be a prototype that this guy built for a model he was working on. It has no fancy details but sounded incredible. Unfortunately, the shape, size, fretboard width, etc. just wasn't perfect for me. But man, I loved the sound that came out of the instrument. I was thankfully in a position to sell that one to somebody I hope it is perfect for and commission him to build one that is perfect for me. I know it will sound good, the rest is just going to be the fun aesthetic choices.

Thanks again everybody. This is a lot of fun.

Now we're all looking forward to you posting a few photos as the build progresses.....

IndianHillMike 01-15-2021 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad5427 (Post 6604666)
Indian Hill Mike,

The rosettes at the top right, second row middle, and bottom row middle are all right in line with what I'm looking for. The background rosette on the bottom middle image is my favorite. That spalted wood with the two rings around it! Beautiful! I'm going to show him and see what he thinks. I would love something like that but with the two outer rings darker. I love that one so much.


Spalted rosettes sure can be pretty and it's nice to just let the wood speak for itself!

mad5427 01-15-2021 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colins (Post 6604938)
Now we're all looking forward to you posting a few photos as the build progresses.....

Once I get some photos, I'll share.

J-F C 01-16-2021 09:45 AM

Hope Iím not too late to the post these...

Fred Tellier built me an African blackwood baritone guitar, and we decided to stay away from flashy pearly stuff also. Ebony on the blackwood.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...423c634b_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...88ebb230_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f6f8967f_c.jpg

Neil K Walk 01-16-2021 03:16 PM

As a former graphic artist and a sometime tinkerer on luthery with aging eyes I'd suggest that you keep it simple and not fall into the trap of going overly extravagant. I'm a firm proponent of "keeping it simple" and focusing on contrasts over ornamentation.

FWIW my long time albatros of a build is Carpathian spruce over East Indian rosewood. I opted to go with flamed maple binding but if I had to do it all over again I think I would have gone with plain maple because you can't really tell at a distance and the stuff tends to split. In contrast, my first was cedar over mahogany and I chose to go with rosewood binding to accent it.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...704d1e_c_d.jpg

As for the rosette, while I like the mozaic look it's a bit "busy" IMO. I find that I like radial rosettes and just a simple ring of zipflex:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ee3588_c_d.jpg

Radial rosettes are still a lot of work though:

https://live.staticflickr.com/4259/3...8db47c_w_d.jpg

As for the headstock, again I like the wood to "be the bling"

https://live.staticflickr.com/4317/3...275f5f_c_d.jpg

though I do think that tuners make the headstock:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d2d115_c_d.jpg

mad5427 01-19-2021 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-F C (Post 6606104)
Hope Iím not too late to the post these...

Fred Tellier built me an African blackwood baritone guitar, and we decided to stay away from flashy pearly stuff also. Ebony on the blackwood.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...423c634b_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...88ebb230_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f6f8967f_c.jpg

I know most necks are typically mahogany. Is that a flamed maple neck for an acoustic? I love the look of that and thought of having him do that. Are there major reasons to not have a maple neck? Tonal differences?

J-F C 01-19-2021 03:34 PM

It is flamed maple. My maple SJ Fred built me also has a maple neck. For me, the maple option was an aesthetic demand/suggestion I made to Fred. If he had any reason not to do it, it would have told me, has we previously discussed the type of tone I was after, and that was more important.

Iím not en expert on tone wood and guitar building so all decisions regarding the choice of wood is made with the good advices of Fred.

He would certainly give a better answer to your question than I do. For what is worth, he is build me a third guitar (parlor) and the neck is flamed maple just like the one on my baritone.

mad5427 01-19-2021 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-F C (Post 6606104)
Hope Iím not too late to the post these...

Fred Tellier built me an African blackwood baritone guitar, and we decided to stay away from flashy pearly stuff also. Ebony on the blackwood.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...423c634b_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...88ebb230_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f6f8967f_c.jpg

I know most necks are typically mahogany. Is that a flamed maple neck for an acoustic? I love the look of that and thought of having him do that. Are there major reasons to not have a maple neck? Tonal differences?

fetellier 01-19-2021 04:51 PM

Maple is a bit harder to shape than Mahogany, as far as strength since I use carbon bars to reinforce the neck it is not an issue. Jean pushes me to do different things but that is how we grow better.
Since I started building for others my philosophy has been to be open to all ideas from my clients and to communicate as much as possible.

Fred

J-F C 01-19-2021 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fetellier (Post 6609091)
Maple is a bit harder to shape than Mahogany, as far as strength since I use carbon bars to reinforce the neck it is not an issue. Jean pushes me to do different things but that is how we grow better.
Since I started building for others my philosophy has been to be open to all ideas from my clients and to communicate as much as possible.

Fred

Have you discovered encountered tonal issues with the maple that made you have to change your routine ?


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