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IndianHillMike 03-27-2014 11:34 AM

Build Thread: Indian Hill Curly Maple GC-12 Cutaway for TAMCO
 
Just getting started on my next build for Trevor at The Acoustic Music Company. This one is going to be a Grand Concert 12-fret cutaway (flush to the heel) with curly maple back/sides and sitka spruce top.

Here's the wood...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/IMG_3790.jpg

Joining the top...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...o/IMG_3792.jpg

I can't really think of a simpler jig to join tops/backs -- one clamp yet incredibly effective!

Once the top is joined and cut to shape, it's time to make the rosette. I start by choosing sections of spalted maple...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...o/IMG_3795.jpg

Once I've decided on a section I want to use, I mark the center of the circle and simply draw/cut lines radiating from that point. By doing this there's no worry that the various sections won't line up and form the ring I'm intending.

Three sections glued up...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t...o/IMG_3798.jpg

Next I cut out the spalted maple ring slightly larger than the final size...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N...o/IMG_3799.jpg

I glue the oversized ring into a slot in my top...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...o/IMG_3802.jpg

Once this is dry, I rout out either side of the ring to fit my purfling strips, glue them in and voila!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...o/IMG_3804.jpg

This should be a fun and challenging guitar to build -- flush to the heel cutaways can be really tricky!

Mike

Dick Sanders 03-27-2014 12:29 PM

Good pics. Fun to see how you go about it. What tonal characteristics do you expect to get from this body and wood combination. And what subtle build techniques will you use to lean the tone one way or another.

psychojohn 03-27-2014 12:39 PM

Like that rosette

IndianHillMike 03-28-2014 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Sanders (Post 3885818)
Good pics. Fun to see how you go about it. What tonal characteristics do you expect to get from this body and wood combination. And what subtle build techniques will you use to lean the tone one way or another.

I think this will be a really nice combo -- this is my biggest shape and the maple should add some brightness and focus to a big bodied guitar sound while the 12-fret body joint increases the volume. As far as subtle techniques, most of that will come during bracing -- keep reading the thread and you'll see!

I've started in on the bending and laminating process for the sides. Here's the cutaway being bent...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...o/IMG_3811.jpg

And positioning the back...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...o/IMG_3794.jpg

Today I'll continue on with preparing the cutaway -- this next little bit is one of the most challenging parts of the build. More pictures on the way!

Mike

Trevor M 03-30-2014 02:36 AM

Looking good Mike. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it.

IndianHillMike 03-30-2014 10:37 AM

Made some more progress on the cutaway these past few days. For those that might be uncertain what I mean when I say flush to the heel, here's an example of one I made a few years back...

http://indianhillguitars.com/graphics/cutaway_views.jpg

The obvious difference between this and most cutaways is that I maintain the same heel shape with a perfectly smooth transition to the side. Some of the main challenges in this style of cutaway are getting the wood to bend in more ways than one (follow the curve of the sides and of the heel at the same time) and keeping everything perfectly lined up and on center. In order to achieve this, I made a bending/lamination mold for the cutaway section...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...taway+mold.jpg

As you can see, it starts flat and perpendicular to the top/back. As it approaches the fingerboard it starts to angle but still remain flat. Once it reaches the end-block, it starts to transition from flat into the final heel shape. Since it is such an amorphous shape, this all has to be carved by hand.

Now comes the challenge of laminating! For the flat sections, I use the same brace and bolt system that I use to laminate my sides. However, for the curvy heel section, I need to make a caul that is an exact fit (plus the thickness of the sides) in order to get perfectly fit lamination. So, plaster of paris to the rescue!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...o/IMG_3813.jpg

And here's a shot of the cutaway being laminated with the plaster mold and brace/bolt system...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l...o/IMG_3822.jpg

That's it for now. Next up is carving the block!

Mike

BenjaminPaldacci 03-30-2014 03:02 PM

I love your work Mike! It will be a wonderfull guitar, and the rosette is pretty cool!

Rob C 03-31-2014 09:48 AM

This is looking great. I'll be following this with anticipation.

IndianHillMike 04-01-2014 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benbenbenben (Post 3890662)
I love your work Mike! It will be a wonderfull guitar, and the rosette is pretty cool!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob C (Post 3891719)
This is looking great. I'll be following this with anticipation.

Thanks guys!

While I've been working away on the cutaway section, I enjoyed the much easier task of laminating the rest of the sides...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/IMG_3819.jpg

One day I'd like to make some sort of 3-D replicating jig, but for now the best way I have to fit the block is using chalk...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...o/IMG_3824.jpg

Push the block into position, wiggle it ever so slightly, pull it back and sand away the chalk marks. Takes a while but gets a great fit!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...o/IMG_3826.jpg

Very satisfying to finally get this section glued up!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/IMG_3828.jpg

Next I'll put all the parts of the sides together and get on with bracing the back.

Mike

David Wren 04-01-2014 05:33 PM

Looking great Mike!

IndianHillMike 04-07-2014 09:35 AM

Towards the end of last week I was able to get the sides joined up. Quite a rewarding feeling after spending so much time preparing the cutaway section!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/IMG_3830.jpg

Nothing too tricky coming up so the next little while should zip along. Here I'm gluing on some laminated maple strips to give some long grain stiffness to the back...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/IMG_3833.jpg

Each brace is two 2.5 mm strips of maple laminated into a 15' arch. Bracing a back with a typical ladder bracing adds almost no long grain stiffness, so for me adding these braces is key to getting a more even distribution and helping maintain the arch. My center strip is also laminated but with a thin cross-grain layer of spruce and a thin maple strip on top.

If all goes well the back will be glued on by the end of the day and it's on to bracing the top!

Mike

IndianHillMike 04-09-2014 07:11 AM

Now that the back is on, you can finally start to see the shape of the cutaway...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...o/IMG_3844.jpg

Today I'll finish up bracing the top and hopefully have it tuned and glued on tomorrow!

Mike

Hierophant 04-09-2014 08:19 AM

Your cutaway-neck-joint is great!

David Wren 04-09-2014 02:38 PM

This is looking sooo great Mike!

Rob C 04-10-2014 09:21 AM

I love the look of the cutaway.

IndianHillMike 04-14-2014 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hierophant (Post 3904587)
Your cutaway-neck-joint is great!

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Wren (Post 3905083)
This is looking sooo great Mike!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob C (Post 3906030)
I love the look of the cutaway.

Thanks guys! It's taken a bit of work to get it this far, but I'm really happy with how it's turning out.

I spent the end of last week bracing and tuning the top. In order to be consistent with how I brace and tune my non-cutaway tops, I decided to brace this one fully and then adjust for the cutaway section after. Here are some of the initial braces going on...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...o/IMG_3847.jpg

As you can see those two angled braces have some pretty big scooped out sections. I could split the brace and leave that section out, but I really like the idea of having all of the braces tied together. I feel like it gives better pathways for the vibration to be distributed.

Once the top is braced it's time to make and glue in the label -- much easier to do before the top is on! Years ago I made a stamp by cutting up a pencil eraser. Works great!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...o/IMG_3853.jpg

And here's the top fully braced/tuned and ready to be glued on...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/IMG_3857.jpg

Time to bind!

Mike

IndianHillMike 04-17-2014 11:34 AM

I've started in on the binding process for this guitar. Due to the cutaway, it's going to take a good bit more work than normal. One of the first jobs I did was the bind the point of the cutaway -- this starts with using knives and chisels to cut out a space for the binding using a ruler as a guide...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-s...o/IMG_3861.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...o/IMG_3863.jpg

I decided to keep the grain oriented the same direction as the binding to help give the impression that the maple is inset into the cocobolo...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...o/IMG_3865.jpg

And gluing up the binding strips...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/IMG_3870.jpg

The cocobolo end graft...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l...o/IMG_3873.jpg

Since the cutaway section is not square, I'll have to cut most of the binding and purfling by hand. To do that, I'll have to wait for my fancy new purfling cutter to arrive -- should be here in the next day or two!

Mike

Nemoman 04-17-2014 12:19 PM

Mike--this is really looking amazing. Love the binding on the point of the cutaway and how the cutaway flows into the neck joint. Can't wait to see the finished product--great stuff!

IndianHillMike 04-23-2014 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemoman (Post 3915754)
Mike--this is really looking amazing. Love the binding on the point of the cutaway and how the cutaway flows into the neck joint. Can't wait to see the finished product--great stuff!

Thanks! Despite making it a little bit more challenging, I really wanted to get the binding on the point to flow with the rest of the binding. It's been a lot of work but I'm finally getting close to being fully bound!

As I mentioned in my last post, the general un-squareness of the cutaway section makes cutting binding channels with a router unfeasible. So, time to cut them by hand (after a bunch of tool sharpening)...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...o/IMG_3881.jpg

Next I glued in the cutaway purfling strips before cutting out the slot for the main binding strip...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...o/IMG_3888.jpg

And then the cutaway binding strip...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/IMG_3899.jpg

This last shot shows what I mean about having the binding on the point flow with the rest of the binding. Just a little bit more work and it will be fully bound!

Mike

IndianHillMike 04-26-2014 07:28 AM

I was finally able to finish up the binding on this guitar -- it took a long time but I'm quite happy with how it turned out!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/gm...A=w611-h814-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M...o/IMG_3912.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O...o/IMG_3914.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...o/IMG_3918.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...o/IMG_3921.jpg

Time to get started on the neck. Hopefully by the end of next week I'll be ready to start french polishing.

Mike

gotgas 04-26-2014 08:00 AM

beautiful
 
That is just beautifully done. It is the subtle details like this that I admire most about these build threads. I cannot wait to see this one under finish. Great work.

IndianHillMike 04-30-2014 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotgas (Post 3928273)
That is just beautifully done. It is the subtle details like this that I admire most about these build threads. I cannot wait to see this one under finish. Great work.

Thanks -- I definitely appreciate and strive for subtlety over bling.

As I was getting started on the fingerboard, I realized I had run out of my 12th fret inlays. Here's how I go about making them...

I start by laminating 3 strips of ebony and mahogany to make a 3mm x 3mm block. Each individual strip is 1 mm thick...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...o/IMG_3932.jpg

A mahogany strip to make the cross section of the "H"...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...o/IMG_3937.jpg

Add some extra ebony that will mostly be routed away...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...o/IMG_3940.jpg

More mahogany glued on with the ebony routed...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k...o/IMG_3942.jpg

Almost there...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/IMG_3949.jpg

And done!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x...o/IMG_3953.jpg

The final dimension is 9mm x 11mm -- pretty small! I'll cut ~2mm thick tiles from this every time I need to make a fingerboard. Luckily this is a job I only have to do every couple of years!

Mike

kirkham13 04-30-2014 09:39 AM

I really like your bracing, as well as your reinforcing of the sound hole. Very nice. Do you use elements of classical guitar fan bracing techniques? I'm trying to understand form a non luthier standpoint.:)

David Wren 04-30-2014 03:40 PM

HA! Love the photo sequence showing the developement of your 12th fret inlay ... beautiful Mike!

IndianHillMike 05-01-2014 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirkham13 (Post 3934383)
I really like your bracing, as well as your reinforcing of the sound hole. Very nice. Do you use elements of classical guitar fan bracing techniques? I'm trying to understand form a non luthier standpoint.:)

The idea behind this bracing really just comes sitting down with some paper and pencils and attempting to draw a pattern that makes intuitive sense. Some of the key elements I consider are an even distribution of support, a unified/connected bracing centered around the bridge, and of course balancing out the forces exerted on the top by the string tension. I think there are many ways to do this -- this just happens to be the one I came up with and have been experimenting with recently!

Mike

IndianHillMike 05-03-2014 12:54 PM

Moving right along with the neck for this guitar. Here's one of the logo tiles inlaid on the 12th fret...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...o/IMG_3962.jpg

Gluing up the top head veneer...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...o/IMG_3957.jpg

And the fingerboard being glued to the neck...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T...o/IMG_3967.jpg

Here's the neck all prepped for carving...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9...o/IMG_3971.jpg

And roughly carved out...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-q...o/IMG_3974.jpg

Now is when I have to take great care in shaping the heel and make sure it matches up with the shape of the sides. Definitely one of the most satisfying points of this build finally getting to see the neck joint.

Final sanding of the neck/body this afternoon and then on to french polishing!

Mike

Steve Kinnaird 05-03-2014 03:37 PM

Beautiful work. I especially like your cutaway cap.

Steve

IndianHillMike 05-10-2014 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kinnaird (Post 3939562)
Beautiful work. I especially like your cutaway cap.

Steve

Thanks Steve -- that cap was a bit of a pain but I'm quite happy with how it turned out.

Not too much of an update, mostly just french polishing these past few days...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/IMG_3978.jpg

A few more days of polishing before I let it sit for a week or so. If everything stays on track I should have it strung up in a couple of weeks!

Mike

RotemarGuitars 05-11-2014 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndianHillMike (Post 3949360)
Thanks Steve -- that cap was a bit of a pain but I'm quite happy with how it turned out.

Not too much of an update, mostly just french polishing these past few days...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R...o/IMG_3978.jpg

A few more days of polishing before I let it sit for a week or so. If everything stays on track I should have it strung up in a couple of weeks!

Mike

Wow!
I´ve just read through this thread now, and I´m really impressed with your work, Mike! Everything from the bracing-system to the beautiful binding work is top-class.

I especially like the "bolt-on"-way of laminating the sides. I´ve never seen that technique before, but its brilliant. I know everybody who´s laminating sides are doing it for extra stability, but do you have any other reasons for doing that?

Really looking forward to hearing this guitar later on!

/Niklas

Trevor M 05-12-2014 01:49 AM

Its looking fantastic Mike. I can't wait to get my hands on it.


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