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uriah1 02-17-2020 09:08 AM

J50 vs Natural J45
 
Always curious since there is not too much information out there.
I have a Gibson branded J45 natural (blonde) that is early 90s.

Most folks I talk to say it is a J50 but the label clearly states
J45.

Was that a production run issue in the 90s with non-burst J45s.
Is there a great difference?

I don't think they do any more.

Thanks for any info.

rc3797 02-17-2020 10:26 AM

For some reason, Gibson decided to “go rogue” with their naming system and do away with the J-50 designation in favor of calling it a natural J-45 a couple times, including the 90’s. They stuck with this on and off through the years as it suited them, it seems. As always, though, a natural J-45 IS a J-50, and vice-versa. No structural differences between the two at all, just finish (or lack thereof).

uriah1 02-17-2020 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc3797 (Post 6294729)
For some reason, Gibson decided to “go rogue” with their naming system and do away with the J-50 designation in favor of calling it a natural J-45 a couple times, including the 90’s. They stuck with this on and off through the years as it suited them, it seems. As always, though, a natural J-45 IS a J-50, and vice-versa. No structural differences between the two at all, just finish (or lack thereof).

Aah..

Thanks

Jim Owen 02-17-2020 03:35 PM

Hi Uriah,
You got the answer from rc3797, but I feel tempted at add that I’ve seen J 50s and J 45Ns both offered in the same years.

Gibson followers (such as me) refer to this as “Gibson being Gibson.” Even when I was a tadpole my buddies and I often scratched our heads over why Gibson model specs seemed so haphazard. Oh, it’s friday, let’s put on this funny pickguard I just found in the scrap box. Or, I wonder which bridge fits—or which side of it is up or down. Let’s call this guitar an LG 2 reissue even though it’s clearly an LG 3.

I play a mid 90s J 50. Structurally, it’s a J 45 with a natural top and a big, batwing pickguard. I think all the J 45Ns I’ve seen have tear drop guards?

vw1300 02-17-2020 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Owen (Post 6294957)
Hi Uriah,
I play a mid 90s J 50. Structurally, it’s a J 45 with a natural top and a big, batwing pickguard. I think all the J 45Ns I’ve seen have tear drop guards?

The J-45N I've seen had the teardrop pick guard, but from what I've seen J-50s have the batwing except for a few special issues.

Then again, before 1955(?) J-50s had a teardrop pick guard anyway.

Wade Hampton 02-17-2020 06:46 PM

Uriah, it’s actually quite simple: playing a J-50 makes you completely irresistible to members of the opposite sex.

Playing a J-45 Natural makes them shrug and say: “Okay, so that’s yet another person with an acoustic guitar.”

Hope that clears up the confusion for you...


Wade Hampton Miller

uriah1 02-18-2020 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade Hampton (Post 6295119)
Uriah, it’s actually quite simple: playing a J-50 makes you completely irresistible to members of the opposite sex.

Playing a J-45 Natural makes them shrug and say: “Okay, so that’s yet another person with an acoustic guitar.”

Hope that clears up the confusion for you...


Wade Hampton Miller

Lol ..that is what I was thinking too

uriah1 02-18-2020 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Owen (Post 6294957)
Hi Uriah,
You got the answer from rc3797, but I feel tempted at add that I’ve seen J 50s and J 45Ns both offered in the same years.

Gibson followers (such as me) refer to this as “Gibson being Gibson.” Even when I was a tadpole my buddies and I often scratched our heads over why Gibson model specs seemed so haphazard. Oh, it’s friday, let’s put on this funny pickguard I just found in the scrap box. Or, I wonder which bridge fits—or which side of it is up or down. Let’s call this guitar an LG 2 reissue even though it’s clearly an LG 3.

I play a mid 90s J 50. Structurally, it’s a J 45 with a natural top and a big, batwing pickguard. I think all the J 45Ns I’ve seen have tear drop guards?

Thanks

ya

Bluejeannot 03-20-2023 07:09 PM

My 2009 Mr Natural.
 
https://imgur.com/9yGw1o4

Black Squirrel 03-20-2023 07:15 PM

J-45 is more marketable than the J-50. The J-45 has lots of history attached to the model name. J-50 has no real marketable history.

Bluejeannot 03-20-2023 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Squirrel (Post 7213488)
J-45 is more marketable than the J-50. The J-45 has lots of history attached to the model name. J-50 has no real marketable history.

There are a very distinguished list of users though.Dylan,James Taylor,Tom Rush,John Renbourn, Lightning Hopkins, Wizz Jones etc.

lt20dbl 03-20-2023 07:36 PM

James Taylor burst onto the scene with his J50. You can hear it plainly on early recordings.

Black Squirrel 03-20-2023 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluejeannot (Post 7213493)
There are a very distinguished list of users though.Dylan,James Taylor,Tom Rush,John Renbourn, Lightning Hopkins, Wizz Jones etc.

Yes, but Dylan played so many different guitars over the years that he was not really associated with that particular model.

Athens 03-20-2023 08:08 PM

J45 vs J50
 
Wow, this debate never seems to go away, does it?

They are different guitars.

I had a ‘65 J45 Nat Adj. it was a J45 with a natural top and that tone killing adjustable mechanism with a ceramic bridge.

Best thing I ever did was to remove the adjustable hardware and make a hardwood insert to fill the slot and install a standard bone saddle.

But, again, they are different models.

BluesKing777 03-20-2023 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade Hampton (Post 6295119)
Uriah, it’s actually quite simple: playing a J-50 makes you completely irresistible to members of the opposite sex.

Playing a J-45 Natural makes them shrug and say: “Okay, so that’s yet another person with an acoustic guitar.”

Hope that clears up the confusion for you...


Wade Hampton Miller



Exactly!

Now we are making sense!

I better put a pic of my Gibson J50 up:

https://i.imgur.com/tu3SUTb.jpg


BluesKing777.


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