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Martin Maniac 10-12-2016 08:36 PM

Okay experts..headphone buying advice needed.....
 
Thinking about getting some higher quality headphones suitable for mastering application...Currently looking at the AKG K 702's .. AKG advertises them as studio grade mixing and mastering headphones...

Now's your chance... yea or nay !!!!! or what else have you ??

Talk to me before I pull the trigger.

runamuck 10-12-2016 09:55 PM

http://gradolabs.com/


Even the cheap ones are very good but get the best you can afford.

Martin Maniac 10-12-2016 10:33 PM

What about the Sennheiser HD 650's ?????

rockabilly69 10-13-2016 06:57 AM

Some good choices, although I think the AKG's 702's are fine for mixing...

Beyerdynamic DT 880 and Sennheiser HD 650

KevWind 10-13-2016 07:29 AM

I have the Sennheiser HD 600's and really like them for mixing
The HD 650's would likely be even better

Both are open back which ostensibly helps eliminate possible undesirable reflection issues, that may be present with closed back HP's. But as with anything audio there are also a number of variables in play.

Both can purchased fairly reasonably on line from Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD.../dp/B00018MSNI

Martin Maniac 10-13-2016 08:29 AM

Thank You all for your input.

Sennheiser HD 650 won out with three votes including mine. I found a "Like New" set in an open box for a nice discount on Amazon last night and waited till this morning to get your opinions. I grabbed it before someone else did.

The Grado's line also came with lot's of support but I found their line confusing, Too many options.....They have models ranging in price from $80-$1,695.

The AKG 702's came in second place because some people are complaining about the ribbed head piece that's uncomfortable.

The Sennheiser HD 650's have been an industry standard for a long time. Many people on the Gearslutz forum rave about them.

Martin Maniac 10-14-2016 10:36 PM

They shipped out last night and are scheduled for delivery on Thursday.

Yay !!

Martin Maniac 10-20-2016 11:53 AM

I received my Sennheiser HD 650's today. Yep they are like new in an opened box, looks like somebody tried them out one time and returned them. Or kicked around the store for a short while. They look like new and sound great. I think they are excellent reference headphones as the magnify they known problems in my mixes. They certainly tell the truth. I tried them out on some mixes from Peter Gabriel's Studio and the mixes sounded perfect. Some of my mixes sounded really bad thru these. These are definitely my new favorite reference headphones, and all my future mixes will have pass the test with these.

I'm running them out of the Focusrite 18i8's headphone output and I'm getting just enough volume for me, when everything is cranked up. A separate headphone amp may be needed, I don't know yet. Many people recommend it.

They are opened back headphones which means there will be some bleed, but it's not much. As far as comfort goes... They are very comfortable, much nicer than all my other headphones.

So bottom line is I'm very pleased with them.

KevWind 10-20-2016 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 5103400)
I received my Sennheiser HD 650's today. Yep they are like new in an opened box, looks like somebody tried them out one time and returned them. Or kicked around the store for a short while. They look like new and sound great. I think they are excellent reference headphones as the magnify they known problems in my mixes. They certainly tell the truth. I tried them out on some mixes from Peter Gabriel's Studio and the mixes sounded perfect. Some of my mixes sounded really bad thru these. These are definitely my new favorite reference headphones, and all my future mixes will have pass the test with these.

I'm running them out of the Focusrite 18i8's headphone output and I'm getting just enough volume for me, when everything is cranked up. A separate headphone amp may be needed, I don't know yet. Many people recommend it.

They are opened back headphones which means there will be some bleed, but it's not much. As far as comfort goes... They are very comfortable, much nicer than all my other headphones.

So bottom line is I'm very pleased with them.

While IMO they are excellent for mixing I would not recommend them for tracking. The bleed will be very noticeable (particularly with better mics) if used for tracking and IMO the accuracy that they afford for mixing decisions is not as necessary for tracking

Martin Maniac 10-20-2016 01:10 PM

You're right, I would not use these headphones for tracking. Even though the bleed is small, it's still there and could ruin an otherwise good recording. I bought these for mixing and mastering, and I think they'll work out fine for that.

Martin Maniac 10-20-2016 02:14 PM

I just got done listening to quite a few Loreena McKennitt tracks, some live, some studio tracks. They were all professionally mixed at Peter Gabriel's Real World Studio's in England. The only way I can put this is that I can finally here what was intended by the engineers at the studio...I can hear nuances that I couldn't hear before. I saw Ms McKennitt live in concert a few times, so I know what she and her band sounds like live...these recordings are perfect, and these headphones bring out that perfection. It's hard to put my finger on it, but these headphones sound very special, they have a very high quality to them. I'm glad I bought them.

I don't think I need a headphone amp, I'm getting plenty of volume and clarity out of the Focusrite 18i8. Even at mid volume they sound great. Coupled with the Yamaha HS-8 monitors, I'm all set !!!

:)

StringFive 10-22-2016 06:19 PM

These Sony MDR7506's are the go-to standard http://amzn.to/2dZ74sz

Martin Maniac 10-22-2016 08:45 PM

That depends on who you ask. The Sennheiser HD650 came very highly recommended by many people. Now that I have them bought, and actually tried them out, I'm very pleased with them. Ya I possibly could have saved some money buying a cheaper pair, but I wanted really nice phones. I already have the AT 50's and a set of Tascams, and a set of Fostex, but I wanted what other people are highly recommending... In other words I wanted an expensive pair to see what all the hubbub was about, now I know. Like I said, a good mix sounds really good with these and mixing problems really stand out with them. My other phones are good for tracking because they are closed back, the 650's are open back, better for mixing and mastering. Although I'll do most of my mixing and mastering with my Yamaha HS8 monitors, I'll use the 650's for checking mixes....and late night listening.

Martin Maniac 10-22-2016 11:49 PM

I told a friend of mine about these headphones and when I told him how much they cost, he said " WTH, do they have little monkeys come out and lick your ears ?? " Almost !! I said. LOL !!

Bob Womack 10-23-2016 06:04 AM

Expert
"Ex" is the unknown quantity.
A "spurt" is a drip under pressure.

Expert: A man from out of town with a briefcase.

Bob

rick-slo 10-23-2016 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Womack (Post 5105902)
Expert
"Ex" is the unknown quantity.
A "spurt" is a drip under pressure.

Expert: A man from out of town with a briefcase.

Bob

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made, in a narrow field."

Niels Bohr

rick-slo 10-23-2016 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StringFive (Post 5105608)
These Sony MDR7506's are the go-to standard http://amzn.to/2dZ74sz

Had a pair of these. Harsh and bright sounding. Threw them out. I have been using Grados (325 and 225) which are very detailed and balanced.
I will occasionally check the recording out with a darker sounding AKG K240 Studio headphone.

runamuck 10-23-2016 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rick-slo (Post 5106067)
Had a pair of these. Harsh and bright sounding. Threw them out. I have been using Grados (325 and 225) which are very detailed and balanced.
.

I completely agree with you on the 7506s.

Can you say what you hear in differences between the the two Grados you mentioned?

rick-slo 10-23-2016 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by runamuck (Post 5106107)
I completely agree with you on the 7506s.

Can you say what you hear in differences between the the two Grados you mentioned?

The 325 is a wee bit warmer sounding. The 225i is perhaps a little more likely to pick up on a bright or sibilant sound so I usually use it while in the DAW. General listening I prefer the 325i. The new versions are the 225e and 325e - I have not listened to those.

runamuck 10-23-2016 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick-slo (Post 5106126)
The 325 is a wee bit warmer sounding. The 225i is perhaps a little more likely to pick up on a bright or sibilant sound so I usually use it while in the DAW. General listening I prefer the 325i. The new versions are the 225e and 325e - I have not listened to those.

Thanks, Derek. I've only used various models from the Prestige series, starting with the 80s and moving up to the 225s. Not much difference to my old ears. They have all had that Grado sound.

Jim

Martin Maniac 10-23-2016 01:05 PM

I got lots of very good compliments on Grado headphones too. Lot's of people like them. My only problem with Grado was that there were so many different levels of quality, I became confused and didn't want to buy an inferior set. They keep trying to sell you the next step up all the way to $1,600...is that to say the $1,600 phones are five times better than the $300 phones ?? Would I be missing out on something ?? or would I get snookered buying an $800 dollar set when a $300 set would be just as good...too much confusion ....not being able to try them out was a problem too....on the other hand, the Sennheiser HD650's are the flagship and were highly recommended, and have been for years.

sdelsolray 10-23-2016 05:52 PM

I mostly use Grado SR325is and AKG 240DF, both open backs, but 90% of the time I listen through monitors. For tracking I use an inexpensive pair of closed back Tascam. For audiobooks on the iPhone I use an identical pair of the Tascam.

buzzardwhiskey 10-28-2016 10:58 PM

Well, I don't know if I've made a silly beginners mistake but today I ordered a Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro that will be used for mixing our next CD. I'll check the mixes on inexpensive little Mackie CR3 monitors and on the ATH M50x that we're using to lay down the tracks, but the DT 880 will allow me to mix in my office arm chair which is really the goal.

Martin Maniac 10-28-2016 11:33 PM

The new girlfriend likes the new Sennheiser HD650's. She uses them to listen to music while surfing the web.

:up:

Fairlight 10-29-2016 07:32 AM

I would think twice about mastering OR mixing with headphones only. Tracking headphones, Sony 7506.

https://www.quora.com/Music-Producti...ing-headphones

rick-slo 10-29-2016 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairlight (Post 5112124)
I would think twice about mastering OR mixing with headphones only.

https://www.quora.com/Music-Producti...ing-headphones

See also http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...d.php?t=445813

matthewpartrick 10-29-2016 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Maniac (Post 5111986)
The new girlfriend likes the new Sennheiser HD650's. She uses them to listen to music while surfing the web.

:up:

What's the budget? My current favorites are Oppo PM-3s, Sennheiser HD700s, Mr. Speakers Ether Flow, all of varying prices.

Martin Maniac 10-29-2016 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewpartrick (Post 5112157)
What's the budget? My current favorites are Oppo PM-3s, Sennheiser HD700s, Mr. Speakers Ether Flow, all of varying prices.

My budget was under $450....I scored the HD650's for $270..open box like new. I'm thrilled !! Girlfriend is happy, life is good.

matthewpartrick 10-29-2016 10:38 AM

Perfect. That's a very good deal, and enjoy.

Sage97 10-30-2016 06:40 AM

I'll have to start shopping around for the Oppo PM3. Any reviews on here for the B&W P5 Series 2? I've always liked their products starting with the 600 series on up.


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