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David MacNeill 01-02-2018 05:28 PM

Stratocaster trem block
 
Anybody know of a drop-in trem block, something that could be inserted and removed easily? Preferably made of alder? I could make one but where we live now I don’t have space for a proper wood shop.

LouieAtienza 01-02-2018 05:42 PM

Buy a pack of shims for $3 at the hardware store, and cut to shape

David Eastwood 01-02-2018 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by David MacNeill (Post 5589459)
Anybody know of a drop-in trem block, something that could be inserted and removed easily? Preferably made of alder? I could make one but where we live now I don’t have space for a proper wood shop.

Why would it need to be alder?

I haven't ever seen such a thing. I've achieved much the same result as a block by using 5 springs at maximum tension, and cranking down the 6 pivot screws, so that the trem sits flush to the body.

Alternatively, you could just use these :)

https://mobileimages.lowes.com/produ...1996812654.jpg

David MacNeill 01-02-2018 05:59 PM

It’s a musical instrument, not a kitchen floor. A block that connects to the strings via the trem block should be made of the same wood as the body: alder.

David Eastwood 01-02-2018 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by David MacNeill (Post 5589497)
It’s a musical instrument, not a kitchen floor. A block that connects to the strings via the trem block should be made of the same wood as the body: alder.

I think you might be over-reacting just a tad.

David MacNeill 01-02-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eatswodo (Post 5589511)
I think you might be over-reacting just a tad.

Don’t think so. To me, Strats aren’t “planks”. Wood matters.

David Eastwood 01-02-2018 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by David MacNeill (Post 5589520)
Don’t think so. To me, Strats aren’t “planks”. Wood matters.

I don't disagree. I do, however, seriously doubt that anyone could pick up any tonal differences that could be attributed to the type of wood a Strat trem block is made of.

David MacNeill 01-02-2018 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eatswodo (Post 5589526)
I don't disagree. I do, however, seriously doubt that anyone could pick up any tonal differences that could be attributed to the type of wood a Strat trem block is made of.

I would. Imagine using closed cell foam, or balsa. Either would absorb string energy instead of transmitting it to the body.

Clapton uses blocks. Do you think they are made of cheap hardware store shims?

LouieAtienza 01-02-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by David MacNeill (Post 5589534)
I would. Imagine using closed cell foam, or balsa. Either would absorb string energy instead of transmitting it to the body.

Clapton uses blocks. Do you think they are made of cheap hardware store shims?

Clapton played a hardtail (Blackie), he did not like the sound of a trem guitar...

As to absorption of atring energy? By the trem pivot screws. By your reasoning a floating trem would bring no string energy to the body...

David Eastwood 01-02-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by David MacNeill (Post 5589534)
Clapton uses blocks. Do you think they are made of cheap hardware store shims?

I neither know, nor do I care.

I do know, however, that using a :) in a post that is intended to be jocular apparently doesn't work for some folks.

Over and out.

vindibona1 01-02-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by David MacNeill (Post 5589497)
It’s a musical instrument, not a kitchen floor. A block that connects to the strings via the trem block should be made of the same wood as the body: alder.

Not necessarily. I've modded a gaggle of Strats and to be honest, you can't totally predict the results. I've found that unless you pin the trem with something metallic like quarters the sound itself doesn't change much. However I'd support the idea that the wooden shims would work well without disturbing anything.

Personally, for my own playing, I'm not fond of blocking the trem. I can achieve similar results with spring tension. Also, even on my decked trems I tend to back off the tension just enough so that the strings don't feel so stiff, yet don't make the other strings go out of tune much when bending. JMO

LouieAtienza 01-02-2018 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vindibona1 (Post 5589630)
Not necessarily. I've modded a gaggle of Strats and to be honest, you can't totally predict the results. I've found that unless you pin the trem with something metallic like quarters the sound itself doesn't change much. However I'd support the idea that the wooden shims would work well without disturbing anything.

Personally, for my own playing, I'm not fond of blocking the trem. I can achieve similar results with spring tension. Also, even on my decked trems I tend to back off the tension just enough so that the strings don't feel so stiff, yet don't make the other strings go out of tune much when bending. JMO

I think using 5 springs and adjusting the screws that the trem plate completely touches the top is a good idea, and one I've done in the past. Unless of course I'm in surf mode.

Steve DeRosa 01-02-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eatswodo (Post 5589483)
...I've achieved much the same result as a block by using 5 springs at maximum tension, and cranking down the 6 pivot screws, so that the trem sits flush to the body...

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Originally Posted by LouieAtienza (Post 5589647)
I think using 5 springs and adjusting the screws that the trem plate completely touches the top is a good idea, and one I've done in the past. Unless of course I'm in surf mode.

You don't even need to crank down the pivot screws - FYI this used to be called the "Van Halen Mod," since Eddie used it before Floyds came on the market; good news is that it allows you to do down-bends when/if you choose, you get the benefit of the bridge/tailpiece coupling with the top, and you don't lose that "acoustic reverb" that five-spring Strats used to be known for back in the day...

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Originally Posted by LouieAtienza (Post 5589478)
Buy a pack of shims for $3 at the hardware store, and cut to shape...

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Originally Posted by LouieAtienza (Post 5589539)
...As to absorption of string energy? By the trem pivot screws. By your reasoning a floating trem would bring no string energy to the body...

PSA: since Louie builds guitars (do a search on the Custom Shop subforum), IME he knows what he's talking about...

FWIW I've been in this game for 55 years, and one of the things I love about the AGF is that I learn something new every day...

Looks like today is your day... :cool:

Otterhound 01-02-2018 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LouieAtienza (Post 5589539)
Clapton played a hardtail (Blackie), he did not like the sound of a trem guitar...

As to absorption of atring energy? By the trem pivot screws. By your reasoning a floating trem would bring no string energy to the body...

I love my hardtail Strat .
Was the Brownie a hardtail ? You know , the guitar that supplied the neck for the Blind Faith Tele .

M Hayden 01-03-2018 12:01 AM

With five springs and the claw in tight, my strats have great energy transfer and don’t need blocking, and I put 11s or 12s on it. Those trem springs are mighty strong!


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