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+1. I'm a lifelong Patriots, Red Sox and Bruins fan. I remember sitting through that 1-15 season back in '90 or '91. But because you wear that patch on your arm you still watch and support the team. I also remember watching the Bears/Pats Superbowl as well in '86. 46-10 IIRC.
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Quite frankly, I'm tired of all the debate about New England. I'm not hating, just fatigued. There's definitely going to be a changing of the guard. I only hope that there's not another dynasty in waiting because that would just be ridiculous.
That being said, I'm a Steelers fan but not a lifelong one. I'm just a homer. With that said, this season has been an embarrassment - but not nearly as embarrassing as last season. I will say that they completely choked these last two weeks though. |
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I wish I had a dollar every time I heard this. Of course if you say this year after year, then one year you’ll be right. Did you also know that the moon affects the rise of tides? |
"Time beats everybody. It's undefeated."-Rocky Balboa
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Wow, the Pats haters are out in full force.
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People are entitled to their opinions. It’s not that serious folks. We’re talking about a game. |
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I understand that if you're a long time New England dweller who was there through the lean years and who's been riding this wave with them for nearly 20 years (TWENTY YEARS!) you'd still be a fan. It almost never happens - you can maybe point to the Yankees over the years, the Celtics during the Auerbach years, UCLA during Wooden as comparable, but even the justly revered Vince Lombardi would be in awe of what the Pats have done. Maybe they should rename it the Belichek trophy after he retires... So I get why you're a fan - I would be too. But surely you must understand why fans of the many other fine franchises out there, even while respecting fully what the Patriots have done, would be righteously sick and tired of seeing them continue to do it and anxiously await the fall of the current empire... If they're NOT your team, and they're obviously NOT the team of the vast majority of football fans, you'd be sick of them too. The story line in the NFL has been boringly predictable lately. One of these years father time is gonna finally take his full toll on Tom's miraculously maintained youth and the NFL will be more fun for "the rest of us" than it has been over the past many years. That's not HATING anyone, it's just being sick of the team that's effectively been the bully of the league for a loooooong time. I'm a Philly guy, but I'm lucky enough to spend winters down in North Carolina near one of our daughters, and I was down here two years ago when the Eagles pulled out a Super Bowl win, FINALLY JUST ONE SINGLE SUPER BOWL WIN (after decades of futility despite some great teams). You can't imagine how that felt unless you were old enough to have experienced the same futility with the Pats and then that first one over the Rams probably felt about the same. Jeez, I enjoyed seeing the Pats emerge - the young team finally overtaking the older superpowers in the game and putting their stamp on it. They were great, it was exciting. I was happy for them and for all of their fans even though I was a Vermeil fan (see, "Philly guy"). So a week or so after that game, I already had my Eagles Super Bowl hat or sweatshirt or something, and I'm in a bar down here with my wife and daughter and now son in law, just having a nice day. And some young gal in a Patriots sweatshirt walks over to me and doesn't bother to even acknowledge that the Eagles beat the Patriots - she started off by saying "get back to me when you've won FIVE of them"! I know not all Patriots fans are that obnoxious. Well, I'm pretty sure. OK, I'm guessing some aren't. But that's another downside of dynasties and empires. Their fans get a real sense of entitlement that's very VERY ugly and will come back to bite them in the butt someday. I'm not saying you're like this, but labeling anyone who doesn't love your Pats with the same enthusiasm you do as a "hater" is pretty much along those lines... |
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...moving right along...how about those Browns? Kitchen finally got let go. Weren't they supposed to win it all this year?
I'm not gloating because I'm a fair weather Steelers fan. I have good friends in Ohio but they gloat about Ohio State so it all comes out even. We had a good run with Rothlisberger and Crosby for well over a decade so I'm thinking that lean times are acomin'. In fact, if our baseball team suddenly got good I'd be worried that the End Times were coming! Seriously, in this day and age I've come to realize that sports are almost a religion to some and with fantasy leagues and now sports betting becoming legal it's reached a fever pitch. As was said, it's all just a game. The only losers are the ones paying for the stadiums and being charged exorbitant rates to have to even walk in. |
I watch sports for entertainment, even college sports has gone off into the money world, (coach salaries, physical plant, rich alumni etc.)
"The only losers are the ones paying for the stadiums and being charged exorbitant rates to have to even walk in." I agree with this a lot! Fog |
Raiders have played their last game in Oakland, moving to Vegas next year. Wow!!! All these team moves, still can't get used to LA Chargers....
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So no, we're not all like that, and I'm guessing not all Eagles fans would throw snowballs at Santa Claus either. That Eagles team had a great, gutsy run. (When the Super Bowl pairing was set, I remember a young - again with the young - colleague crowing about how the Eagles didn't stand a chance. Right, I said, when has a team with a back up quarterback come in and upset the hottest offense in the league? Oh yeah, 2001 Pats over the Rams.) Ray - Belated congratulations from a Pats fan and good luck this post-season. |
Wow That 49's / Seattle game was looking rather blah for the first half... 2nd half was a bit more exciting. IMHO Seattle should've one that... only because of the missed call of PI and that delay of game in the last seconds... sigh :rolleyes:
It was looking all 49'rs for awhile, Russell Wilson looked like a different players between the 1st and 2nd.... turned out to be a good game.... |
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It seems like some people want the Pats to stop trying to win only because they’ve done it too often. |
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But I can still wish you and all other Pats fans a Happy New Year! -Ray |
The difference between pre-season predictions and actual results is pretty interesting. Listed below are the number of wins above or below the pre-season predictions that were published by 538.com.
Baltimore +6 (i.e., six more wins than predicted) San Francisco +6 Green Bay +5 Kansas City +2 New Orleans +2 Seattle +2 Houston +2 Buffalo +2 New England +1 Minnesota +1 Tennessee +1 Oakland +1 Indianapolis 0 (i.e., same number of wins as predicted) Denver 0 NY Jets 0 Tampa Bay 0 Arizona 0 Miami 0 LA Rams -1 (i.e., one fewer wins than predicted) Philadelphia -1 Pittsburgh -1 Chicago -1 Dallas -1 Atlanta -1 Cleveland -2 Jacksonville -2 NY Giants -2 Carolina -3 Washington -3 Detroit -4 Cincinnati -4 LA Chargers -5 Obviously, Baltimore, San Francisco and Green Bay performed well above expectations. Detroit, Cincinnati and LA Chargers performed well below expectations. Dallas, whom everyone seems to think was a colossal bust, only had one fewer wins than predicted, the same as Philadelphia. New England actually had one more win than predicted. |
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All the teams in it have a chance. I do believe it will be either KC or Baltimore against San Fran or New Orleans... although I'm hoping it's the Hawks! So many great players making great, amazing plays. Kittle, Brees, Mahones, Wilson, Henry, Jackson, Wentz, Diggs, Rogers, et Al..... going to be a fun post season. |
Hard to believe that the Patriots performed above expectations according to this pre-season prediction (+1).
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I guess the same “jokes” get old year after year. Many think that we Pats fans are spoiled, and maybe we are. But we do deal with constant hating, and it can be exhausting. I’ll enjoy the fact that I’ll get to see the Pats this Saturday, even if it’s for the last time this season. But I do think the Chiefs will take it all this year. |
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The Shareholder Certificate is also considered a key part of an authentic "Packer Shrine", an essential element of many homes in and near Green Bay. :D The team is certainly overly romanticized, and in the end of course it is a business proposition. But the love of the Packers in the Green Bay community is something special - bordering on fanatical - that I have not seen the likes of anywhere else in America. There are many awesome examples of team passion in many places, but this seems unique in US sports. |
Oakland, L.A., Las Vegas,....and where ever the money stops next...
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