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I keep thinking back to last year when I bought a guitar with K&Ks in it. I plugged them in and thought they must be defective, to the point I took the guitar to Gryphon and asked them to check. They plugged into a Fishman, and even before playing, the bass was turned down as far as it could go. Was told that you had to do that with a dread. Then they futzed with the mid range. Got it to sound OK.
I'd been playing Dazzos so long I just could not believe the K&Ks weren't defective. I've left the one pickup for all concept behind. Every guitar I have sounds great with the EQ set flat, because the parlors have 90s or 100s, the 00 has 80s, the dreads have 70s to 50s depending. If I put the 70s in the guitar I have 50s in, I'd have to cut the bass for sure. But I don't. I have the pickup that is right for the guitar, plus they sound better. This correct frequency response into the beautifully linear SunnAudio gain stage is a perfect match. I don't really need what the MS-2 provides. I wouldn't mind having one though. If I ever get to the point someone wants me to play both guitar and mandolin on a gig, it'll be at the top of my shopping list. |
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My multiple installs have all been about Teddy saying either that he'd made major improvements or that he just thought it could be better, not that there was any issue with the 1st location. Just him saying "You're at 99.9%, I bet I could get 99.99%". Quote:
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All this talking about Teddy's pickups make me want to switch from the k&k I'm currently using to them. But being in Europe it's a big issue, since I cannot go directly to Teddy and let him find the best pickups for my guitar. Even hearing always great things about him, I wonder what he can do without seeing or listening to the guitar in person...
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Great review
Thanks for the great review.... it has me really interested in this product.... would you please list your entire audio signal chain you used in this review please. Also do you have a picture of the mic from Sunnaudio, I can’t find that on their website
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Teddy can talk to your tech and walk him through the process. I think sometimes that Teddy is his own worst enemy in his quest for perfection, and I've seen him put a newer version into musician's guitars simply because he can't bear to know it could sound better. Having Teddy put pickups in your guitar is watching a very anal guy doing what he's passionate about. So people read the stories and get the impression you just can't slap them in. You can put them where he says to and sound great.
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I'd also like to add (being that Forum member who Vance installed Dazzos in my Goodall, then Teddy came through Salem and said, "we can get that better"!) - with the Dazzos, there is NO BRAKE FLUID SOAKING to remove that epoxy...
My 2012 Goodall CJc had had a set of K&K's in it when I got it that weren't removed or cleaned off well, at all... and the K&K bridgeplate cleanup is what took the brake fluid cleaner... and I wasn't thrilled about that, either, but it turned out really well and the Dazzos mounted just fine... Best of all? These things are UNREALLY GOOD SOUNDING! Although I gave up on this grail; this amplifying the guitar's sound, from my lap and hands to the audience, only louder... This is absolutely the closest to "that" sound I have ever heard... I am frothing to get out and gig with these things... especially because the Dazzos that are now in Angus 12 string sounded even better and more like that guitar than the Goodall! (Vancebo - kept that D-18 Modern Deluxe, eh? Glad it's sounding so good to you! Be well, my friend... and thanks, again!) |
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Lots of great info on here everyone!
Here are a couple prelim clips of two sets of pickups through the MS-2. We just utilized the high pass filter to trim some low end.. The main set of pickups are a pair of Dazzos in a cheap gigging Luna guitar and a B-band used as a mid-side signal. I strummed fairly hard to show how it does in that regard. Great bar fight guitar btw.jk The Dazzos in this guitar are not optimal versions, but this guitar is not that good sounding to begin with. The B-band and its preamp came with this guitar. In the clip below you can hear what the mid-side can do for even non-optimal pickup situations. We will upload better guitars with samples in the future. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ldi...ew?usp=sharing The second clip is just comparing the two mono signals from the pickups in the Luna. The recording alternates from Dazzo to B-Band. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AIR...ew?usp=sharing Marc |
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I sent the Sunnaudio team a handful of demos using the MS-2 and Dazzo pickups, and they suggested posting a couple here. This is with my Martin OM, Dazzo 52s and a Bartlett internal mic, into the MS-2. Raw files, no processing, just the output of the MS-2 direct into the recorder. Just some random fingerpicking followed by strumming with a pick:
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MS-2 and Dazzo Sound clips from Doug Young
Here are all 6 sound clips from Doug. MS-2 with Martin OM with Dazzo 52's and Bartlett internal mic in mid-side stereo recorded direct with no external EQ, reverb or processing.
1st 2 links are fingerstyle, followed by fingerpicking and then 3 strumming. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JBt...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/14zG...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LN0...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CYM...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ems...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AoV...ew?usp=sharing Many thanks to Doug for putting these samples together and sharing them! Sunny |
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