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jeaniesing 10-17-2019 07:36 PM

Looking for a low budget guitar that can pass for 1800's
 
One of the many hats I wear is playing a character in our local Victorian- Christmas street festival - two theaters of "A Christmas Carol" running all day, about 200 vendors, and dozens of street actors/singers/players. For me it's 3 street shows of corralling children on a wobbly stage and posing for about 1000 picture (I wish I were exaggerating). Anyway.... I'd love to take a harmony instrument out on the street with me - but weather varies, so no buying of restored baroque guitars for me! :hmm:

I'm looking for something that might pass as older (dark wood), play like a guitar (pref. 6 strings), and not cost an arm or leg (public school teacher, here!). Any lute shapes with guitar tunings out there? Narrow bodied parlor guitars? I'll give up and stain my son's 3/4 classical a darker color if I have to - but its standard shape doesn't give it much interest.

I've seen a few cuatro guitars that look interesting. With a 2" nut and short fretboard they might do the trick. Does anyone have experience playing one?

Bax Burgess 10-17-2019 07:53 PM

The headstock markings could be darkened.

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guit...CABEgKTcfD_BwE

Cuatro intonation, with the straight across saddle (non-angled), isn't very good for some strings by the 12th fret.

Steve DeRosa 10-17-2019 08:18 PM

These are about as period-accurate as you're likely to get in a 21st-century guitar - I've seen some Civil War re-enactors using them as a field-friendly alternative to an irreplaceable, genuine 19th-century parlor; maybe a little more expensive than you'd prefer ($499 and $699 street respectively) but they do come with a period-style "coffin" hard-shell case, if you're in it for the long haul IME they're far better-made than either the Ibanez or (especially) the mass-market Latin-American instruments - and if you're handy and you want to up the authenticity factor, one re-enactor reversed/re-installed the tuners on his R314 with the worm gear below the tuner shaft, as they did 150 years ago:


https://www.washburn.com/product/r314/

https://www.washburn.com/wp-content/.../05/R314KK.jpg



https://www.washburn.com/product/r320sw/

https://www.washburn.com/wp-content/...5/R320SWRK.jpg

gr81dorn 10-17-2019 10:13 PM

Look at some stuff from Doff, a Russian company. They are very inexpensive and have some super old style instruments that would fit your gig pretty well.

maxtheaxe 10-17-2019 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve DeRosa (Post 6189288)
These are about as period-accurate as you're likely to get in a 21st-century guitar - I've seen some Civil War re-enactors using them as a field-friendly alternative to an irreplaceable, genuine 19th-century parlor; maybe a little more expensive than you'd prefer ($499 and $699 street respectively) but they do come with a period-style "coffin" hard-shell case, if you're in it for the long haul IME they're far better-made than either the Ibanez or (especially) the mass-market Latin-American instruments - and if you're handy and you want to up the authenticity factor, one re-enactor reversed/re-installed the tuners on his R314 with the worm gear below the tuner shaft, as they did 150 years ago:


https://www.washburn.com/product/r314/

https://www.washburn.com/wp-content/.../05/R314KK.jpg



https://www.washburn.com/product/r320sw/

https://www.washburn.com/wp-content/...5/R320SWRK.jpg

Yeah! Beat me to it. A friend of mine got one of these...I think it was a re-pack or scratch & dent or something because he only paid about $300 bucks for his. Really surprisingly nice and playable little guitar with boatloads of vintage mojo...and do I remember correctly that these are all-solid top, back & sides? Sure sounded like it.

His is a darker stain than the guitar in the pics. I just checked around and these are sadly discontinued, but there are a few used ones out there.

AndrewG 10-18-2019 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by maxtheaxe (Post 6189396)
Yeah! Beat me to it. A friend of mine got one of these...I think it was a re-pack or scratch & dent or something because he only paid about $300 bucks for his. Really surprisingly nice and playable little guitar with boatloads of vintage mojo...and do I remember correctly that these are all-solid top, back & sides? Sure sounded like it.

His is a darker stain than the guitar in the pics. I just checked around and these are sadly discontinued, but there are a few used ones out there.

I always like the look of those but I was put off by the very pronounced hard 'V' neck profile.

Steve DeRosa 10-18-2019 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewG (Post 6189444)
...I was put off by the very pronounced hard 'V' neck profile.

That's also 100% period-correct, BTW - my ca. 1875 Bay State parlor has an almost-identical neck profile, only difference being a slight softening after 140+ years of honest wear...

Silly Moustache 10-18-2019 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve DeRosa (Post 6189288)
These are about as period-accurate as you're likely to get in a 21st-century guitar - I've seen some Civil War re-enactors using them as a field-friendly alternative to an irreplaceable, genuine 19th-century parlor; maybe a little more expensive than you'd prefer ($499 and $699 street respectively) but they do come with a period-style "coffin" hard-shell case, if you're in it for the long haul IME they're far better-made than either the Ibanez or (especially) the mass-market Latin-American instruments - and if you're handy and you want to up the authenticity factor, one re-enactor reversed/re-installed the tuners on his R314 with the worm gear below the tuner shaft, as they did 150 years ago:


https://www.washburn.com/product/r314/

https://www.washburn.com/wp-content/.../05/R314KK.jpg



https://www.washburn.com/product/r320sw/

https://www.washburn.com/wp-content/...5/R320SWRK.jpg

another - me too. I've had two of these and they are quite nice.

The first one was the 125h anniversary model which was fine, and the last one was the one with the tree of life fretboard which had the hard V profile which was, indeed, very uncomfortable - I shaved it down myself and it worked, but i decided I didn't need it and sold it on.

Get one if you can - they are really quite fun.

roylor4 10-18-2019 06:34 AM

Not six strings, but the Seagull Merlin has that old-timey vibe and is cheap and easy to play.

Bob Womack 10-18-2019 07:45 AM

Call Martin and ask for their vintage parts department:



Bob

lowrider 10-18-2019 07:51 AM

That movie looks pretty bad, but I can't imagine why they needed the original guitar when they had 8 copies.

Parlorman 10-18-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lowrider (Post 6189535)
That movie looks pretty bad, but I can't imagine why they needed the original guitar when they had 8 copies.

One story has it that Quentin Tarantino wanted Jennifer Jason Leigh's shock to be genuine so he didn't swap the guitar or tell her it was a real take.

jricc 10-18-2019 11:56 AM

While not 1800s, this might be able to pass. $199
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Recordi...stic-Guitar.gc

or this one you could remove the pickup
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Recordi...tric-Guitar.gc

Rudy4 10-18-2019 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeaniesing (Post 6189260)
One of the many hats I wear is playing a character in our local Victorian- Christmas street festival - two theaters of "A Christmas Carol" running all day, about 200 vendors, and dozens of street actors/singers/players. For me it's 3 street shows of corralling children on a wobbly stage and posing for about 1000 picture (I wish I were exaggerating). Anyway.... I'd love to take a harmony instrument out on the street with me - but weather varies, so no buying of restored baroque guitars for me! :hmm:

I'm looking for something that might pass as older (dark wood), play like a guitar (pref. 6 strings), and not cost an arm or leg (public school teacher, here!). Any lute shapes with guitar tunings out there? Narrow bodied parlor guitars? I'll give up and stain my son's 3/4 classical a darker color if I have to - but its standard shape doesn't give it much interest.

I've seen a few cuatro guitars that look interesting. With a 2" nut and short fretboard they might do the trick. Does anyone have experience playing one?

Ibenez PN-1 small / narrow body parlor in mahogany, $150 bucks.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ral-high-gloss

Conomor 10-18-2019 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeaniesing (Post 6189260)
Any lute shapes with guitar tunings out there?

Well, there's this but you'd have to ship it over from Sweden:

http://www.halkans.com/wp-content/up...2/IMG_3542.jpg

http://www.halkans.com/products/inst...coustic_steel/


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