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TBman 01-06-2020 07:54 PM

Thomastik-Infeld John Pearse Folk vs traditional Saverz nylon
 
Here's a pseudo comparison. I can't remember if I recorded the 1st clip with my Zoom H5, but I probably did. The 2nd clip is with the Zoom H5, right in front of the sound hole. My Cordoba C5 is what it is. There's that inherent plunky sound to the trebles. I'm curious if there is less of it with normal tension. Any thoughts?

Both clips are CGDGCD, capo 3. The first clip is cleaned up with reverb and a tweak to stereo field. The second is just clipped at the front and end for misc. movement noises. The gain on the second clip is higher so watch your sound levels headphone wearers


Savarez Cristal Corum in High Tension 500CJ





The Thomastik-Infeld strings are right next to the steel string sound to my ears. The trebles are nylon wound around a steel core. Its a sort of zingy sound. I prefer the sound of full nylon, (but without that plunkiness)


Thomastik-Infeld John Pearse Folk 16 24 25 30 35 43 wound, treble wounds:


SprintBob 01-06-2020 09:03 PM

Nothing wrong with either based on what your ears like best on any given day. For my first listen, I liked the first recording better.

JMFingerstyle 01-06-2020 09:35 PM

Very interesting comparison, Barry. Thanks for going through the trouble of doing that for us, I'm sure it will be helpful for anyone considering the John Pearse strings.

I definitely prefer the natural sound of the Savarez strings. To my ear, the John Pearse strings sound very strange, not quite steel but not quite nylon either....almost makes it sound like an instrument other than a guitar (it vaguely reminds me of the zing you get from an autoharp). It's not unpleasant, just an unexpected timbre.

Bax Burgess 01-06-2020 09:54 PM

The #1 steel is too far removed from the classical character for my ear. Both the Thomastik-Infeld Classic N Superlona CF128 nylon #1 and the KR116 nylon wound steel rope core #1 impress me as being more in tune with the classical character.

FrankHS 01-08-2020 09:58 AM

Can't answer other question in context of "plunkiness" of high versus normal tension, but I've been trying to record some things (first time in 10 years) and got better sound in general-especially less extraneous finger noise in general, after trying normal tension instead of high. I lost some acoustic volume (so what), but I didnt have to play as "hard," and recording results are prettier. (Now to figure out how to use Cubase LE for basic editing for mp3. Im stuck there.)

TRose 01-08-2020 02:07 PM

Thanks for posting this. Iíve been working through a variety of string options and the Thomastik-Infield JP Folk are in line for a try.
Both clips sound great to me but there is an obvious difference.
Lovely piece of playing. Is this an original? Where might I find the tablature?
Thanks,
Tom R

Brucebubs 01-08-2020 03:04 PM

I really like the TI's in that recording - clear and beautifully played Barry.

I believe John Pearse's original concept with these strings was to give a more steel string guitar sound on a nylon string guitar.

TI dropped the idea for some time but when they eventually decided to go into production they named them after John Pearse as a tribute.

FrankHS 01-08-2020 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBman (Post 6258294)
[B]
The Thomastik-Infeld strings are right next to the steel string sound to my ears. The trebles are nylon wound around a steel core.

I didnt know about a nylon-wrapped string being .016", so checked the Tomastik-Infeld website, and they say "nylon wrap, rope core" for the trebles for that set. So what material is the rope?

TBman 01-08-2020 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRose (Post 6259805)
Thanks for posting this. Iíve been working through a variety of string options and the Thomastik-Infield JP Folk are in line for a try.
Both clips sound great to me but there is an obvious difference.
Lovely piece of playing. Is this an original? Where might I find the tablature?
Thanks,
Tom R

Thanks Tom. Its an original that I had started, if you want I can send you a pdf via email, just pm me your email.

TBman 01-08-2020 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brucebubs (Post 6259854)
I really like the TI's in that recording - clear and beautifully played Barry.

I believe John Pearse's original concept with these strings was to give a more steel string guitar sound on a nylon string guitar.

TI dropped the idea for some time but when they eventually decided to go into production they named them after John Pearse as a tribute.

Thanks Bruce.

I'm glad to see you back here Bruce. You had all of us worried.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankHS (Post 6259887)
I didnt know about a nylon-wrapped string being .016", so checked the Tomastik-Infeld website, and they say "nylon wrap, rope core" for the trebles for that set. So what material is the rope?

Frank, their website indicates the 1st string is a steel core, but just a rope core for the other two trebles.

I'm not really into these strings as they are now, maybe the trebles will mellow a bit over time.

I think I prefer nylon trebles, but I'm going to try medium tension next time around.

TBman 01-09-2020 04:00 PM

I've decided that I don't like the TI strings.

I ordered a few sets of mid tension ball end strings from Ernie Ball. I'm not going to throw the TI strings out, I'll save them along with the Savarez strings that my C5 shipped with. With 8 steel strings sitting here I don't need a classical that sounds like a steel string, :D

I'm going to go through an extended experimentation period to find strings that I like. :)

Lunatic24_7 01-11-2020 06:19 PM

Wow....I'll steer clear of those Thomastik Strings...very steel sounding indeed.
I'm gonna give the Hannabach 1869 Carbon/Gold MHT a try on my Cordoba.
Thanks for the comparison, very... 'ear-opening'!


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