Looking for the right luthier
I think I'm in the right place to post this, if not please let me know!
Anyway, so I've been scanning the market for sometime now for a custom build flat top steel string and am still looking for the right builder. As much as id like to go to somebody like Froggy Bottom or something like that, I don't have a huge budget, I'm also not looking for a cheap build either, you get what you pay for. Anyway, I was thinking of getting a Furch but I'm leaning towards a fan fret build and they don't offer that unfortunately. I was also looking at Maestro as well. I would like a either a Redwood or an Italian Spruce Top with hopefully Madagascar Rosewood, although I am more than willing to discuss this with the builder and maybe they can recommend something to me that may be better for my style of play. As mentioned before I would like to have fanned frets/multi scale added to it. I don't need a whole bunch of flashy shabang, although a few dazzles here and there might not hurt. Maybe a light bevel as well. Not interested in any sunburts or anything like that by the way. Oh and I'm looking for a Grand Auditorium Size as well, I've been interested in Modified Dreadnoughts as well, but Grand Auditorium seems like the better option for me. Anybody got any recommendations? |
Every luthier has a fan club. Every player here has their favorite luthier. I suppose you can let the crowd steer you, but it really is something you ought to research yourself as styles vary enormously.
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Figure out your budget and then find luthiers whose base price fit within it. Also keep in mind that all the stuff you want (Italian spruce or redwood top, Madagascar rosewood, and fan frets) all come with an additional cost on top of the base price. I can confidently say that Madagascar rosewood and fan frets typically come with significant upcharges.
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I am aware of the additional costs, this is something I have been heavily looking into for about a year now.
I'm just kind of looking into seeing what everyone else has to offer as far as advice and maybe someone they have went through themselves, that way I can look into it and decide if it's right for me. I know that everyone is different. I'm mostly a fingerstyle with my nails and soft flat picker with some soft strumming, sometimes I like to dig into it for a dramatic chorus every so often. I'm just looking for different ideas, I've spoke to quite a few different luthiers, I'm just wondering if there are some I may have missed, I'd love to speak with them. I'm also looking to pick the brains of the experts. I love discussing this stuff. |
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I can say from owning all three that a spruce rosewood Goodall sounds very different to a spruce rosewood Martin, and both sound very different to a spruce rosewood Baranik. That’s why I always choose the builder first, then choose the woods, in conversation with the builder if it’s a custom build. But how to choose the builder?! We can each tell you our personal favourites but our musical preference, style of playing and physical attributes may be quite different to yours.
I have several custom-built guitars and in every case I chose the luthier because I had played and liked her or his guitars. I’ve also tried guitars by a whole range of other luthiers that were great for other people but not for me. My first custom build came about because I went to The Music Emporium to try a guitar by a builder I was very interested in. I gave up on that guitar in a couple of minutes and tried another by a builder I’d never heard of. Actually playing that second guitar was a game changer for me and I now have one of my own. So for me at least I cannot overemphasise the value of getting out there and trying out guitars, to get a feel for who builds what. No guitar shows that I know of coming up in your area, but it’s also great taking road trips to get to fine guitar dealers. My Google maps tells me you can get to Dream Guitars (no affiliation) in a day. Given the investment in money for your new guitar, and the time you hope to spend playing it, can I talk you into doing a road trip to Dream, where you can try dozens of different high end guitars in a very good environment? You stand a good chance of actually finding the guitar you want, and as a minimum you will get valuable experience of various builders and guitar styles. And maybe include Sound Pure as part of the trip. |
My $.02
For what it is worth, some advice from someone who has been through this a few times for you to consider:
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Yep…
Excellent advice throughout this thread. You really need to play different builders guitars,
To get a sense of what they’re doing, and will do for you! You might consider going to Tom Bowersox B. I. G. Fest in Texas. The time I went there were a lot of FAB guitars from a number of fine Luthiers. And there were a whole bunch of really nice guitars that Attendees brought to show each other, too. Best on the quest Paul |
GAS ... a personal journey
I would echo what everybody has said...GAS is a interesting beast, insidious in onset and relentless, albeit with periods of calm. You will undoubtedly find that your tastes will change, either drifting towards one aspect of the guitar (size, model, sound, woods) and then shifting further or back from where you started. The more you are able to play guitars from different luthiers, the more your GAS is fueled. You will eventually discover that you need more than one instrument to satisfy your GAS...that's a turning point for many, but for some just a pit stop.
Getting over to Dream Guitars, or even TNAG or Guitar Galler in Nashville is a bonus, highly recommended, and will really help you to see what's available/possible with todays artisans...I have taken a longer route, but once you take that first leap into having a guitar made just for you by a single luthier, there's no turning back! You marvel daily at the craftmenship and beautiful creation that you hold in your hands. I was hanging out the other day at a local luthier's shop, Rye Bear, and I was telling him of a friend (who he knows) who has a roomful of guitars that are a beauty to behold...and it just hit me...I need another guitar! As far as cost, you need to put it into perspective...I see younger people renting the house next door for upwards of $8000 a week - just an ordinary 60 year old rancher, nothing special, although the view is great...and to think - that money could be used for a one of a kind guitar! There's also the build process and involvement in the project which is a unique experience...to be able to tell Leonardo that you want a bit more of a smile on Mona's face!! |
Check out Iris guitars in Burlington Vt. These guys are handmaking a line of guitars based on classic models, and the two luthiers who run the company are some of the best in the country. These are astonishingly affordable and their reputation is very well respected.
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Budget?
Have you played a fanned fret guitar? What tuning(s) are you planning on using. I have 2 fanned fret builds going on at the moment. One will be slightly longer for CGCGCD tuning. The other will be a 26"-25" scale 7 string. For regular and DADGAD, I'm happy with 25.5" scale personally. |
Hmmm . . . I would strongly consider revising your approach significantly. The best (and really ONLY reliable) way to pick a builder is to play examples of their work in person. The builder is far more important than any of the other specifications, including tonewood, as building style and technique will dictate the vast majority of the tone and response you get. And, of course, you'll be able to see in person how well the instrument is made and how much you like the feel. Not all luthiers build at the same quality or QA/QC level. It can be hard to see the differences through websites or photos.
I remember, after attending my first big guitar show in 2009, realizing how much different my opinions could be from the opinions of folks on the AGF. After doing significant web research, I narrowed my search down to a few builders going into the show. The work of some of those builders turned out to be real disappointments in person (or just not my style), while others I had never heard of were very exciting. My sense is that you could have two people on the AGF with radically different views on what constitutes a great guitar advising you on two radically different builders even though you think you're requesting a very specific spec. I would strongly recommend you attend a show or go to a big shop to select a builder. Ideally, play a couple examples of the work from a builder you like. Then talk to them about narrowing down wood choices. Letting the web choose a builder for you is a huge risk. It won't matter what tonewoods and specs are used if the builder doesn't float your boat. |
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Also, I think trying to put sound into words is generally futile; sharing with the prospective maker "I like the way this one sounds" (then another, perhaps, then maybe another) works better, in my opinion. Being a little redundant: find a maker who has a sound you like, rather than trying to fit a sound to a maker. |
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