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DungBeatle 04-02-2021 07:08 AM

Restringing Mandolin
 
I bought a used mandolin late last year. I'm ready to restring it for the first time. It's one like this:

https://www.folkmusician.com/product...an-kf-mandolin

Anything I should know before I proceed?

Is the bridge fixed or just sitting there and will fall off if I remove all of the strings at the same time? Or is that bad ju-ju?

Thanks!
~Bob

RoyBoy 04-02-2021 07:21 AM

Yes, mandolin bridges are NOT fastened down, so change the strings one at a time. Regardless of the method you use on guitars, for the high E string, it's important to get 3-4 wraps around the tuner post before putting the string through the hole and kinking it. High E strings have a greater tendency to break due to the high tension involved. BTW, you picked a nice mando for your first.

Mandobart 04-02-2021 07:29 AM

Most all mandolins have a floating bridge - the string tension holds it in place. If you remove all the strings the bridge falls off. Then you have to figure out which way it goes back on and where to place it for correct intonation.

Only remove and replace the strings one pair at a time, assuming your bridge is correctly fitted and positioned to begin with.

Most use the the two piece bridge with adjustable saddle height for setting the desired action. Its much easier to adjust the action with lower string tension.

The mandolin uses dual course strings with higher tension than you're used to from guitar. It will laughingly chew through your guitar calluses like a cheese grater. They'll come back stronger.

Many guitar techs know nothing about working on or setting up a mandolin. There is a guy named Rob Meldrum who put out a free guide on setting up a mandolin. You can find it on Google.

M19 04-02-2021 09:05 AM

Most use a technique of wrapping tightly 2-3 times around, moving up from below the hole, then pulling the string through the peg hole tight, and crimp. This is kind of the opposite of most guitar stringing techniques that go through the hole first and wind to tension.

Caddy 04-02-2021 09:18 AM

Yes, they are floating bridges and not fastened to the top. However, you can remove all the strings if you need to condition the neck, etc. by carefully marking the placement of the bridge with painters tape. That way you can replace it right where it had been.

DungBeatle 04-02-2021 09:46 AM

@RoyBoy, @Manobart, @M19, @Caddy:

Thanks for all the info so far! I will be sure to wrap the strings as suggested. I also found the link to Rob Meldrum, thanks!

When I put new strings on my banjolele I had to move the bridge as it was about 1/8" too far. So I had to find out how to set the intonation anyway. This mandolin seems to have the bridge in the correct spot, so blue tape will be helpful.

Would it be reasonable to condition the fret board (lemon oil?) before I remove the old strings one-by-one?
~Bob

Br1ck 04-02-2021 01:04 PM

I've been using Jerry Rosa's stringing method for a year or so now with both guitar and mandolin. Never needs more than two wings. Do a YouTube search. He's done at least one tuning only video.

M19 04-02-2021 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caddy (Post 6680014)
Yes, they are floating bridges and not fastened to the top. However, you can remove all the strings if you need to condition the neck, etc. by carefully marking the placement of the bridge with painters tape. That way you can replace it right where it had been.

I watched a video where the guy used a SHARPIE to mark where the bridge went. I almost retched. :sick:

cliff_the_stiff 04-02-2021 03:04 PM

The post’s above seemed to touch all the details.
Thomastik make flatwound strings for mandolin-
I quite like them.

DungBeatle 04-03-2021 02:16 PM

@Br1ck, thanks for the Jerry Rosa tip!

M19, There was a sharpie mark under my banjolele bridge and it looks like crap now that I had to move it.

@cliff_the_stiff - That's the strings I'm changing to.

Thanks again everyone!
~Bob

Mandobart 04-03-2021 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DungBeatle (Post 6680052)
Would it be reasonable to condition the fret board (lemon oil?) before I remove the old strings one-by-one?
~Bob

I recommend F1 Fretboard oil, if you're going to use oil.

DungBeatle 04-04-2021 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandobart (Post 6681674)
I recommend F1 Fretboard oil, if you're going to use oil.

Thanks! I'll check it out.
~Bob

Tempotantrum 04-04-2021 10:23 PM

I've been playing and restringing mandolins (and banjos) for a long time. I agree - it is best not to loosen all strings at the same time in order to keep the bridge where it is at. Keep in mind though, even with diligent string change technique - a mandolin (and banjo) bridge will tend to move on its own due to movement of the top, humidity changes, etc. This is normal and it is a really good idea to understand how to check intonation and adjust the bridge periodically. If the bridge is not making flush contact across the (base of bridge to top of mando), that is a good indication it needs to be adjusted. Also, bridges tend to "tip" forward a bit over time. It is a good idea to get them vertical again. I loosen the strings slightly and gently pull it straight - same for adjusting intonation. I know really great mandolin builders (Paul Duff) who have no qualms about making adjustments without even loosening strings because he has done it so often. Intonation is really important on a mandolin- and is not too difficult to adjust once you understand the concept.

DungBeatle 04-05-2021 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempotantrum (Post 6682484)
I've been playing and restringing mandolins (and banjos) for a long time. I agree - it is best not to loosen all strings at the same time in order to keep the bridge where it is at. Keep in mind though, even with diligent string change technique - a mandolin (and banjo) bridge will tend to move on its own due to movement of the top, humidity changes, etc. This is normal and it is a really good idea to understand how to check intonation and adjust the bridge periodically. If the bridge is not making flush contact across the (base of bridge to top of mando), that is a good indication it needs to be adjusted. Also, bridges tend to "tip" forward a bit over time. It is a good idea to get them vertical again. I loosen the strings slightly and gently pull it straight - same for adjusting intonation. I know really great mandolin builders (Paul Duff) who have no qualms about making adjustments without even loosening strings because he has done it so often. Intonation is really important on a mandolin- and is not too difficult to adjust once you understand the concept.

Thanks for the generous information!
~Bob

Wade Hampton 04-25-2021 09:20 PM

when I restring my mandolins I'm careful to keep as much tension as I can on the bridge, so it moves as little as possible. So I slacken just one string at a time, from the inside out; I generally start with a D string, then an A string, then another D string and so forth until I've replaced all eight strings.

This maintains better overall tuning stability.


whm


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