Looking for collective wisdom
I play guitar in a trio that plays a wide range of music that has recently begun to add jazz standards. Up until now I’ve been satisfied with the the sounds my guitars provide (6 and 12 string Breedloves). However when I listen to someone playing an archtop I realize that the archtop is providing the sound I want to add for our trio. I’m new to the archtop experience. I’d really like similar features in an archtop to my Breedloves (concert shape, cutaway, and flattened C shape neck). This is a guitar for playing so used is fine. It will be played plugged in (if there is a pickup) but it will also be played unplugged as there are a number of songs we play with microphones. So it does need to sound decent unplugged. I don’t have a price point, but this is for playing so I’d like to keep it under $1500. Everyone’s collective wisdom would be appreciated as to brands and models that I can start to look into. TIA
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Check out an Eastman AR605-CE:
https://images.reverb.com/image/uplo...8igelukgkf.jpg https://images.reverb.com/image/uplo...icw7wxeky6.jpg These regularly turn up in the $1200+/- range used - an amazing deal for an all-carved instrument, and about the only one I can think of with all the features you're after... |
It's very hard to find an archtop that sounds good acoustically in that price range, as most are laminate with heavy finishes. The better Loar models are popular, with carved tops, though I don't think they have cutaways. Have you considered a gypsy jazz guitar? Different sound, but might work for you.
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Both are still listed on https://www.theloarstore.com/collect...rchtop-guitars, but the 650 is "sold out." The 350 seems to be available. Thomann claims they will have the 650 in two weeks, but that doesn't really mean anything.
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The Ibanez George Benson GB-10 is worth a look.
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eastmans are nice but don't forget about Guilds. You can pick up older Guilds for decent price and they sound great I think
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Great suggestions for me - thanks .... looks alone the Eastman grabbed my attention. I'm curious about a couple of things, one is the reference to necks, are most archtops made with thicker baseball bat necks? if so why? I was also curious about the comment regarding thick finishes and laminates. I'm ok with a laminate sides, but I'd prefer solid wood top and back. Also, is there a price point at which I have more options? thanks again for getting me started!
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Older archtops, before amplification, have fatter necks. It may have been the style, but it's also likely because fatter strings and high action were needed for volume. I'm not sure, but they may not have had truss rods, either.
A lot of the new production archtops come a couple of factories in Korea, even if they say Guild, epiphone, or D'Angelico on them, though Epiphone went to Indonesia. And, most have laminate tops and thick urethane-type finishes. Eastman's are OK, though the ones I tried sounded rather bright. Steve is right about Loar's neck shape, and the sound is the opposite, kind of dull. Peerless might be one to check out. Honestly I think you're looking at upwards of 2K for a carved top. |
If you plan to play acoustically to any degree, go for a model with a floating pickup, since built-in pickups will deaden and alter the acoustic sound considerably. Can't beat Pete Biltoft or Kent Armstrong floating pickups for a good jazz sound - alternatively, consider a DeArmond Chieftain "monkey on a stick"
For a guitar, consider having a fully carved one built by Mr Wu in China. Over at the Jazz guitar forum (jazzguitar.be) you'll find some very happy jazz bunnies who have commissioned guitars from him - well within your price range. |
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