The Acoustic Guitar Forum

The Acoustic Guitar Forum (https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/index.php)
-   RECORD (https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=43)
-   -   How to set up recording in this space.. Need advice. (https://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533674)

JakeStone 01-05-2019 12:30 PM

How to set up recording in this space.. Need advice.
 
I know I may have asked about this before.

But I still need some assist... I have been experimenting and getting "OK" recordings.. But I am still learning and tryin'.

I realize room treatment in general is crucial. But I only have 1/2 a room and it is not permanent. The other half of the area is an office area and my wife's work out equipment.

I have 6 (4'x2') Acoustic panels that I made with Rockwool..
2 of them are 6 inch thick and other 4 units are 3" thick.

Is there any hope? It just seems like so many reflective surfaces.
Suggestions of best way to use the panels...
How should I set up in this room?

Just me playing Acoustic Guitar and singing .. Using an AT2035 LDC and I also have 2 SDC Oktava Mk-012.

https://i.imgur.com/QSmkAoSl.jpg

runamuck 01-05-2019 12:41 PM

I've found that surrounding you and the mic with the acoustic panels to be more effective. Ideally, you'll have to devise a way of getting them up a foot or so off the floor.

JakeStone 01-05-2019 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runamuck (Post 5939268)
I've found that surrounding you and the mic with the acoustic panels to be more effective. Ideally, you'll have to devise a way of getting them up a foot or so off the floor.

Good points.. raising the panels off the floor could be pretty easy fix.

So with your suggestion.. Where would I set up? Which way should I face and which way do the mics face?

Thanks!

JakeStone 01-05-2019 01:13 PM

Is this config advisable? .. Or do I need to get more into the middle of room.

Again.. Just looking for ideas.

https://i.imgur.com/1OhclBJl.jpg

rick-slo 01-05-2019 02:02 PM

Having the panels in front of you and the guitar, not behind, is more effective.

JakeStone 01-05-2019 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick-slo (Post 5939344)
Having the panels in front of you and the guitar, not behind, is more effective.

Great.. I will need to try that.

Do I set up in that corner or more in the center of the long wall?

How far from the wall ? ... Also how far should I place the panels from me and wall.
Thanks !!

KevWind 01-05-2019 02:08 PM

So the good news is the irregular back wall and ceiling angle is probably a plus.
The bad news is as you say lots of reflective surface to deal with

I agree with runamuck and Rick surrounding yourself with the panels good and getting them up off the floor also 1 to 2 ft. As you say I just built a basic 1by 4 H shaped wood frame with feet

So to that end I would get further out from the wall BUT definitely not in dead center of the entire space .... So closer to the wall where your wood chair is than the wall behind you in the photos
I would face the wall with wood chair and have then have mic's face you. And start with maybe 3 or 4 panels behind the mics (which would be as Rick suggested in front of you .. with possibly the 6 inch ones at a 45 degree angle in the corners on the chair wall or depending on ( what the item on the right side of the chair is ? ) The chair is actually a reasonable corner bass trap. so you could maybe try the two 6" ones side by side at 45 degrees across the left ( in photo ) corner .

sdelsolray 01-05-2019 02:12 PM

That space may be a bit challenging with only six traps. For any single room studio, there are two "listening" locations that the treatment should be focused: (i) wherever the mics and guitar are located and (ii) wherever your playback speakers and your ears are located. Your angled wall has advantages and disadvantages, and it's probably best to place several traps on it, as well as the corners of the main vertical walls. Yes, some portable gobo traps will help too.

In terms of placement, try placing you recording desk facing the wide wall towards the angled ceiling but pull it out a bit from that wall. Try the mics a few feet behind the desk chair pointing towards the desk and simply turn the chair around to record.

runamuck 01-05-2019 02:15 PM

Get the mic in the middle of the room.

KevWind 01-05-2019 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runamuck (Post 5939364)
Get the mic in the middle of the room.

To clarify You are meaning from side to side or ( centered between the long walls of the room) yes ? But from front to back the middle position is not a good idea as I understand it, at least for a mixing position ????

rick-slo 01-05-2019 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runamuck (Post 5939364)
Get the mic in the middle of the room.

The middle of the room is more likely to suffer from standing waves. Maybe not much of an issue with acoustic guitar and a big enough room however personally I have better results by not being so symmetrically located in the room

JakeStone 01-05-2019 02:34 PM

Thanks Kev for the details.

BTW, the room is about 20x30 ft.

The wall in photo is the 20 ft wide wall.

https://i.imgur.com/QSmkAoSm.jpg

I have always set up playing (me facing out into the room).. With all the panels behind me.
But being that the other wall (you cant see) has no treatment or anything.. guess that was a no-no.


OK! I will switch things around.
Set up facing the wall.. (start with being 8 feet back from that wall). Place several panels along the wall and then put a couple behind me.

BTW, the right corner where the over stuffed chair is... The corner is a huge couch cushion that I have vertical as a bass trap.

Will check this new design out and report !

Thx all!


Quote:

Originally Posted by KevWind (Post 5939353)
So the good news is the irregular back wall and ceiling angle is probably a plus.
The bad news is as you say lots of reflective surface to deal with

I agree with runamuck and Rick surrounding yourself with the panels good and getting them up off the floor also 1 to 2 ft. As you say I just built a basic 1by 4 H shaped wood frame with feet

So to that end I would get further out from the wall BUT definitely not in dead center of the entire space .... So closer to the wall where your wood chair is than the wall behind you in the photos
I would face the wall with wood chair and have then have mic's face you. And start with maybe 3 or 4 panels behind the mics (which would be as Rick suggested in front of you .. with possibly the 6 inch ones at a 45 degree angle in the corners on the chair wall or depending on ( what the item on the right side of the chair is ? ) The chair is actually a reasonable corner bass trap. so you could maybe try the two 6" ones side by side at 45 degrees across the left ( in photo ) corner .


rick-slo 01-05-2019 02:47 PM

I have a bunch of panels (on walls and ceiling). Added a few more since the picture below taken.


http://dcoombsguitar.com/Guitar%20Mu.../RoomPhoto.jpg

JakeStone 01-05-2019 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdelsolray (Post 5939360)
That space may be a bit challenging with only six traps. For any single room studio, there are two "listening" locations that the treatment should be focused: (i) wherever the mics and guitar are located and (ii) wherever your playback speakers and your ears are located. Your angled wall has advantages and disadvantages, and it's probably best to place several traps on it, as well as the corners of the main vertical walls. Yes, some portable gobo traps will help too.

In terms of placement, try placing you recording desk facing the wide wall towards the angled ceiling but pull it out a bit from that wall. Try the mics a few feet behind the desk chair pointing towards the desk and simply turn the chair around to record.

Thanks.. I am not able to move my desk. But will study your post.

KevWind's suggestion was to set up "facing" the wall... With Mics facing me... Is this what you are saying? Or the opposite.

Here's a photo of what I "believe" Kev was suggesting.

I don't want to get tooo confused..

https://i.imgur.com/WlpS1Vdl.jpg

JakeStone 01-05-2019 05:55 PM

Looks great,, How did you attach those on ceiling?


Quote:

Originally Posted by rick-slo (Post 5939404)
I have a bunch of panels (on walls and ceiling). Added a few more since the picture below taken.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:11 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, The Acoustic Guitar Forum

vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=