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jamison162 12-07-2019 12:23 PM

Ultra Tonic Version 3 by JME
 
Alright, who's going to be the guinea pig? An interesting departure from the 3-4 individual sensors; not unlike the former B-Band SBT. Totally passive, minimally invasive, and I think James includes a stereo jack as he did in previous iterations. There's a "ring" solder point on the input jack pcb to add a second souce be it a magnetic pu or mic (power would be supplied via external preamp).

http://jamesmayengineering.com/how-it-works/

http://jamesmayengineering.com/wp-co...mplete-set.jpg

stevecuss 12-07-2019 01:11 PM

Wow - looks amazing. I love James' innovation.

I just bought an OM21 that will need a pickup, but the price is beyond my budget, but I love the concept.

Vancebo 12-07-2019 01:29 PM

I know I am a big Dazzo fan and all but I love the engineering (best way to describe it) of his products. The idea totally makes sense for SBTs. This alone or paired with a mic would be stellar I am sure.

I would totally give it a try if Dazzos weren’t already glued into my guitars. 😁

aaron_t 12-07-2019 01:41 PM

The v2 Ultra Tonic is fantastic. I’ve installed it in 2 guitars. I’ll be putting my order in for one of the v3 in a few days - to be installed on my D-28 MD!

martingitdave 12-07-2019 01:56 PM

This looks like an excellent iteration. I'm excited to listen to a demonstration of the new design.

SpruceTop 12-07-2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jamison162 (Post 6232319)
Alright, who's going to be the guinea pig? An interesting departure from the 3-4 individual sensors; not unlike the former B-Band SBT. Totally passive, minimally invasive, and I think James includes a stereo jack as he did in previous iterations. There's a "ring" solder point on the input jack pcb to add a second souce be it a magnetic pu or mic (power would be supplied via external preamp).

http://jamesmayengineering.com/how-it-works/

http://jamesmayengineering.com/wp-co...mplete-set.jpg

That is a beautiful design and I may give it a go!

Vancebo 12-07-2019 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancebo (Post 6232366)
I know I am a big Dazzo fan and all but I love the engineering (best way to describe it) of his products. The idea totally makes sense for SBTs. This alone or paired with a mic would be stellar I am sure.

I would totally give it a try if Dazzos weren’t already glued into my guitars. 😁

James, if you see this. Is it possible to attach two shielded Dazzo wires to your circuit board? This way I could try it out.

James May 12-07-2019 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancebo (Post 6232528)
James, if you see this. Is it possible to attach two shielded Dazzo wires to your circuit board? This way I could try it out.

I am happy to answer questions!

You can attach another pickup to the RING connection by soldering it to the pad labeled R/P1 on the connector board. The shield would solder to the bottom side ground plane. It could be more than one wire, the pad is big enough for 2 or 3 at least. It's easy to do.

However, I'm concerned that the Dazzo mounting would be in about the same location the Ultra Tonic needs to mount, so wouldn't there be a real estate conflict?

Vancebo 12-07-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by James May (Post 6232552)
I am happy to answer questions!

You can attach another pickup to the RING connection by soldering it to the pad labeled R/P1 on the connector board. The shield would solder to the bottom side ground plane. It could be more than one wire, the pad is big enough for 2 or 3 at least. It's easy to do.

However, I'm concerned that the Dazzo mounting would be in about the same location the Ultra Tonic needs to mount, so wouldn't there be a real estate conflict?

Wow! That was fast.

I would keep the Dazzo instead of using your pickup and just use the Dazzo attached to the circuit board for the only signal source. Not dual source.

aaron_t 12-08-2019 07:02 PM

Just saw on the website, Ultra Tonic v3 is 33% off - $179 thru Jan 15. [emoji41]

Petty1818 12-08-2019 08:05 PM

Very cool design. I am excited to hear some demos of it. I have to admit that I was very excited at first thinking that the main sensor would be attached using tape and not glue. However, if it sounds great then I could stomach glue.

AxeDude 12-11-2019 10:43 AM

Ultra Tonic Version 3 by JME
 
I’m curious about how this would work with a ToneDexter on a classical guitar.

James May 12-11-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AxeDude (Post 6236039)
I’m curious about how this would work with a ToneDexter on a classical guitar.

In my view, it is the cat's meow. Ultra Tonic by itself is pretty darned impressive, and you won't have feedback issues. With a ToneDexter, it takes the sound to the finish line. This is true of both nylon and steel string installations.

Petty1818 12-11-2019 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by James May (Post 6236052)
In my view, it is the cat's meow. Ultra Tonic by itself is pretty darned impressive, and you won't have feedback issues. With a ToneDexter, it takes the sound to the finish line. This is true of both nylon and steel string installations.

Will there be clips of this new system soon? Thanks!

Oregon Donor 12-11-2019 12:36 PM

Is the soundhole-mounted volume wheel ‘optional’, per se? It doesn’t look intrusive, which I really appreciate, but one less knob to worry about is always preferable for me. That’s one thing that drew me to K&K’s initially and then to the previous iteration of the Ultratonic.

James May 12-11-2019 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Petty1818 (Post 6236149)
Will there be clips of this new system soon? Thanks!

Yes, working on it!

James May 12-11-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Donor (Post 6236155)
Is the soundhole-mounted volume wheel ‘optional’, per se? It doesn’t look intrusive, which I really appreciate, but one less knob to worry about is always preferable for me. That’s one thing that drew me to K&K’s initially and then to the previous iteration of the Ultratonic.

The volume control comes standard, but can easily be removed and jumpered around if not required.

FWIW, I was of the school that didn't think I needed a volume control at the sound hole. Until I had a conversion and now I am hooked. YMMV of course.

This one really does work well - it has just the right taper and of course the tonal balance does not change when adjusting the volume. (Both of these features are not trivial to implement.)

tadol 12-12-2019 04:52 PM

I've got one here just waiting for me to install - If only I didn't have so much to get done in the next week!!

I have a V2 in another guitar, and it is great!

James May 12-12-2019 07:39 PM

For those who asked, audio demo clips of the Ultra Tonic V3 are now up on the site.

http://jamesmayengineering.com/video-audio-demos/

In actual practice, you'll probably boost the highs a bit (or use a ToneDexter), but these demos are straight into the recording interface with no EQ or effects. Unvarnished, so to speak.

Petty1818 12-12-2019 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James May (Post 6237435)
For those who asked, audio demo clips of the Ultra Tonic V3 are now up on the site.

http://jamesmayengineering.com/video-audio-demos/

In actual practice, you'll probably boost the highs a bit (or use a ToneDexter), but these demos are straight into the recording interface with no EQ or effects. Unvarnished, so to speak.

That sounds really good. It definitely has that K&K quality to it but it sounds even more natural. It kind of reminds me of the Schatten HFN in terms of the mic-like quality but the V3 has the bottom end I like. I currently have a Fishman Matrix that I pair with the Tonedexter so I would have to remove it since the main transducer for your pickup would go over the hole where the UST wire comes out of the bridge plate.

Bone28 12-13-2019 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James May (Post 6237435)
For those who asked, audio demo clips of the Ultra Tonic V3 are now up on the site.

http://jamesmayengineering.com/video-audio-demos/

In actual practice, you'll probably boost the highs a bit (or use a ToneDexter), but these demos are straight into the recording interface with no EQ or effects. Unvarnished, so to speak.

Sounds good. I'd like to find a pickup that has good feedback resistance and doesn't require a lot of processing in a live setting. I understand this system weeds out troublesome frequencies. I have a nice Larrivee SD60 that's currently being set up, It'll need a good pickup system.


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